can anyone tell me if the fj pioneers had black collar tabs and were the epaulttes diffrent. i have looked in the fj bible and the internet but there not alot about the fj pioneers.
theres nowt so Permanent as temporary
Yup, cant see anything on the subject myself - and thats after checking a fair few places. I do have some more books on FJ on the way, so i'll have a look when they turn up.
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When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
There is a lot of disagreement on the matter, but most seem to agree that everyone wore yellow, with the only exception being Sanis (who sometimes, not always, wore blue).
The problem with photographic evidence is it is in black and white...and there is a photographic evidence to support both sides of the debate (yellow and black), and what further complicates the issue is that colors can change in B+W photos over time.
If I was you, I would just wear yellow and carry pionier specific equipment.
cheers guys there does seem to be a lack of evidence to say they were black will stay with yellow till i know any better
theres nowt so Permanent as temporary
Fj 500/600 was composed whit SS members they wore their SS uniform under the jump suit
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Ah its not SS runes he's talking about 
its sturm (engineer) tabs
Fj 500/600 was composed with SS members they wore their SS uniform under the jump suit
Its hard to find any concrete proof pics of that unit, the only ones i have show them dressed in *entirely* lufty gear.
The pics i have of the gran sasso raid show them in lufty tropical shirts with no ss markings.
source: commando extraordinary by Charles Foley page 48 top plate.
So i think SS uniforms under the lufty smock is a myth unless you can find me pics to prove otherwise.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/forum/vi ... =30&t=6211
That do for starters?
This might help?
http://www.helion.co.uk/product.asp?str ... P_ID=16286
I can find no mention of black waffenfarbe for fjr pioneers. The search goes on.
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Well cant argue with that but i'll still stick by the fact that they definatley were not wearing them when they pulled mussolini out. I've got the pics of that in front of me.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Agreed, that was tropical kit.
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"Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable. "
And lufty insignia.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Fj 500/600 was composed with SS members they wore their SS uniform under the jump suit
Its hard to find any concrete proof pics of that unit, the only ones i have show them dressed in *entirely* lufty gear.
The pics i have of the gran sasso raid show them in lufty tropical shirts with no ss markings.
source: commando extraordinary by Charles Foley page 48 top plate.
So i think SS uniforms under the lufty smock is a myth unless you can find me pics to prove otherwise.
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=2905&p=51080#p51080
Check that out as well.
Did the SS even have tropical uniforms?
And it wasnt 500/600 at Gran Sasso as far as I know.
Boys, get out your needles, you got some sewing to do.
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/forum/vi ... 19b#p63145
Paul is a FJR nut, he knows the fallschirmjaeger inside out and heads up one of the best FJR re-enactment groups. Ok it's not like finding an original pioneer fleigerbluse but if Mr.Marsh thinks they wore black, backed up by veterans, then they probably did.
Mr.Binary, the SS did have tropical gear, just to confuse things it is closer to Luftwaffe style and colour than Heer. But, I think you are correct in that it was FJR7 troops who rescued Mussolini wasn't it?
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