Does anyone have a link on correct British WW2 radio procedure?
I'm after something like this [link]http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/ww2/radio_card.htm[/link] but for Brits
Heh, don't you remember your training?
That procedure is pretty much it - we all used the same procedure as we fought on the same side!
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The following while still in use today were also used then.
Over... i've finished tlaking and expect a response
Out.. I've fininshed talking and do not require a response
(hence 'over and out' is nonesense)
Say again - self explanatory really, but if you have misheard or are not sure its better than 'what'
Send - i'm ready for you to give me a set of co-ordinates
Wait - (usually requests a pause before requesting send)
Sunray - Commanding Officer
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Heh, don't you remember your training?
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I remember I wasn't very good at it
OK, so Brit procedure the same as Yank. Grrreat.
I'd like to think the British were, well, more polite, prefixing first transmission with Hello Able Baker One...
Well, I do anyway.
I seem to remember reading that US radio etiquette was changed to make sure it didn't cause problems with the British one.
For instance the term "Repeat" was removed as it means something quite specific to the Royal Artillery. Something you may not have intended!
Its the phonetic alphabet that gets me - I struggle with the modern Nato one let alone WW2. Even on the telephone I go "Erm, N for Nancyboy, A for Apple, F for Freddie," etc
British R/T Signal procedure changed 3 times at least during the war, I have the cards [26/GS Publications nos 469/833 and1090] for 1941, '42 and '44 when the card shows the change in the phonetic alphabet. There is a card for 1943 but I dont have it called 'Do's and Dont's- message writing and RT'
Here are some details from the '44 version;
Codenames for appointments;
Commander.......SUNRAY
G (ops) Staff......SEAGULL
I Staff..............ACORN
AQ Staff...........MOLAR
Signals adviser....PRONTO
RA..................SHELDRAKE
RE..................HOLDFAST
ST...................PLAYTIME
Medical............STARLIGHT
Ord.................RICKSHAW
REME...............BLUEBELL
The deputy of an officer designated by a code nameis referred to as MINOR, eg; SUNRAY MINOR for 2IC
HULLO is to be used at the Beginning of Transmission. Not to be used when message consists only of 'ok', 'wilco' or 'roger'.
OVER is used at the end of a transmission-a reply is expected
OUT is used at the end when no reply is expected
OUT TO YOU is used when you have finished with one party but will move on to call another
OK means 'correct' or 'Pass your message' or Reception is satisfactory'
WILCO is 'Message received , understood and will be complied with' where as;
ROGER is only 'Message received'
WAIT OUT 'I have finished for the time being and will call you again later'
WORDS TWICE '(I will)say every phrase or code group twice'
SAY AGAIN 'Repeat whole message'
SAY AGAIN FROM... or TO... 'Repeat from...or to...'
ALL AFTER or ALL BEFORE 'Repeat all after or all after...'
WORD AFTER 'Repeat word after...'
CORRECTION 'Cancel the last phrase sent'
aka Stigroadie
AFRA
better by design
"Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable. "
Early Phonetic Alaphabet
A-Ack
B-Beer
C-Charlie
D-Don
E-Edward
F-Freddie
G-George
H-Harry
I-Ink
J-Johnnie
K-King
L-London
M-Monkey
N-Nuts
O-Orange
P-Pip
Q-Queen
R-Robert
S-Sugar
T-Toc
U-Uncle
V-Vic
W-William
X-X_ray
Y-Yorker
Z-Zebra
Figures
Will be preceded by the word 'FIGURES' and will be pronounced thus;
0-owe
1-wun
2-too
3-thr-r-ree
4-foer
5-fife
6-six
7-sev-en
8-ate
9-niner
aka Stigroadie
AFRA
better by design
"Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable. "
Longer list of early alphabets is in the link I gave on my first post
Later Phonetic Alphabet used from '43 when the Americans got over here.
A-Able
B-Baker
C-Charlie
D-Dog
E-Easy
F-Fox
G-George
H-How
I-Item
J-Jig
K-King
L-Love
M-Mike
N-Nan
O-Oboe
P-Peter
Q-Queen
R-Roger
S-Sugar
T-Tare
U-Uncle
V-Victor
W-William
X-X_ray
Y-Yoke
Z-Zebra
Figures
0-zero, owe is used in some fire control orders
1-wun
2-too
3-thuh-ree
4-fo-wer
5-fi-yiv
6-six
7-seven
8-ate
9-niner
10-wun-zero
11-wun-wun
12-wun-too
aka Stigroadie
AFRA
better by design
"Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable. "
YES. This is exactly what I wanted. Thanks Sean
LOL, that's what you posted yourself in the first place Martin.
Is it?
Not with all the SUNRAY and SHELDRAKE whatnot though
Is it?
Not with all the SUNRAY and SHELDRAKE whatnot though
U could always tell Chommers to 'FOX' 'OBOE' from 1943 onwards
I'm developing DGPA - Da Ghetto Phonetic Alfybet
A is for ASBO (or ARKS)
B is for BAMF
C is for CHIEFIN'
I is for INNIT
etc. etc.
Martin, D comes after C, even in the Ghetto.
Can I suggest D is for 'Diss?
For those not as "street" as me, from what I can gather, it's a shortened form of "disrespectful" and can also be used as a verb, for example "that chap is 'dissing me".
I don't know what BAMF or CHIEFIN' mean though.
BAMF: Bad Ass Mutter Focker
CHIEFIN': To heavily partake of a cannabis cigarette - presumably in the style of a Red Indian Chief
Could be worse Anne & Barrie,
He could have been developing - Die deutschen Jugendlichen Sprache
M - Mutter Funker
B - Hündinnen
G - Bande
K - töten
Well, I know you will be tested Martin. Carrying a 30lb radio pack and receiving a burst 15 second transmission and wondering what the hell sheldrake means and having to be at the right place at the right time else both you and other teams are doomed to captivity or worse.