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Saw this on the BBC a couple of weeks ago and forgot to post it up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17381587 Don't know how much it will/could effect us, just wish that politicians would start spending their time focusing on real problems for a change! :x


 
Posted : 27/03/2012 11:51 am
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I have been expecting something like this for a long time.
We have been quite lucky here in comparison.

It may seem quite right to ban some sales but who says where they stop :evil:


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Posted : 27/03/2012 11:58 am
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Agreed on the pointlessness of the proposition but it won't affect any of us - it is nothing to do with the Government, it probably won't even be called for debate and certainly won't get any where near the statute book...

Here are the other Early Day Motions for the 15th March 2012: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 315e01.htm :shock: :roll:

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/business/edms/
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Posted : 27/03/2012 12:01 pm
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anybody else think its slightly funny that people in government are proposing to impose harsh censorship of sales of items from a harsh political movement from the past.... its like were living in a Nazi state :rofl:


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Posted : 27/03/2012 12:27 pm
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anybody else think its slightly funny that people in government are proposing to impose harsh censorship of sales of items from a harsh political movement from the past.... its like were living in a Nazi state :rofl:

If we had the last govenment TB would have just made it law on his own if he had wanted :wink:


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Posted : 27/03/2012 2:27 pm
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is the problem that it was something belonging to hilter in that news article. i dont get it why can we have re-enactors and airsofters like ourselves being under threat for essentailly playing dress up, when the bnp are allowed to be a semi-serious party


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 9:38 am
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I agree with you paperpirate, but its this quote "profiteering on items promoting and glorifying hatred and violence" that makes think that its anything to do with Nazi Germany. You've only got to look at the banning of Nazi symobols (swastika, SS runes etc) in modern day Germany (and i think others too?), and whether this MP would like a similar ban.


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 9:57 am
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anybody else think its slightly funny that people in government are proposing to impose harsh censorship of sales of items from a harsh political movement from the past.... its like were living in a Nazi state :rofl:

If we had the last govenment TB would have just made it law on his own if he had wanted :wink:

You might want to read up a bit on how Government works before making statements like that.




 
Posted : 28/03/2012 9:57 am
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anybody else think its slightly funny that people in government are proposing to impose harsh censorship of sales of items from a harsh political movement from the past.... its like were living in a Nazi state :rofl:

If we had the last govenment TB would have just made it law on his own if he had wanted :wink:

You might want to read up a bit on how Government works before making statements like that.

What ever :roll:
Maybe not on his own but others would fall in line as they did repeatedly.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 12072.html

Tony Blair's government has created more than 3,000 new criminal offences during its nine-year tenure, one for almost every day it has been in power.

It is now illegal to sell grey squirrels, impersonate a traffic warden or offer Air Traffic Control services without a licence. Creating a nuclear explosion was outlawed in 1998.


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Posted : 28/03/2012 12:22 pm
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You've only got to look at the banning of Nazi symobols (swastika, SS runes etc) in modern day Germany

Well, they have a slightly different relationship with National Socialism in Germany compared to here. Proposals to extend such a ban across Europe were rejected in 2005, partly due to objecections by the British Govenrment and the aforementioned Mr Blair.

The Germans tried an EU wide ban on swastikas again in 2007, which was also dropped.

They clearly have a few issues with swastikas :)

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Posted : 28/03/2012 1:03 pm
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You've only got to look at the banning of Nazi symobols (swastika, SS runes etc) in modern day Germany

Well, they have a slightly different relationship with National Socialism in Germany compared to here. Proposals to extend such a ban across Europe were rejected in 2005, partly due to objecections by the British Govenrment and the aforementioned Mr Blair.

The Germans tried an EU wide ban on swastikas again in 2007, which was also dropped.

They clearly have a few issues with swastikas :)

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and can you really blame the Germans for reacting in that way to any image of what must be a deeply painful part of their history,also for any nation that saw the swastika hanging over their buildings,in this we are a little more lucky than people in a lot of Europe and although it was the symbol of a tyrannical regime that cost us dearly in lives to defeat we were not occupied or forced to fight for the Nazi government.


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Posted : 28/03/2012 1:19 pm
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The Germans tried an EU wide ban on swastikas again in 2007, which was also dropped.

They clearly have a few issues with swastikas

but the nazis in space film (or whatever the title was i cant remember right now) was debuted in berlin and got rave reviews...

there are always going to be a small minority offended by anything, its very rare to please everyone at once


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 1:22 pm
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Things are starting to change in Germany... They're getting less sensitive about their history.


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 1:24 pm
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East Germans are always interesting to speak to about this. They did their penance!! There are lots of Soviet-era war memorials showing the brave Ruskies booting the Nazis out.




 
Posted : 28/03/2012 1:41 pm
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Interesting... and in somewhere like Berlin where the two worlds are now combined, it's not a surprise to see things have changed...


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 1:44 pm
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Things are starting to change in Germany... They're getting less sensitive about their history.

Very true, apparently Madam Tussauds in Berlin have just installed their first model of Hitler - though ask people not to pose with it like they do with the other dummies! (and portrayed at the end of the war in the bunker, rather than in a triumphant early-war pose).


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 2:15 pm
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Things are starting to change in Germany... They're getting less sensitive about their history.

Very true, apparently Madam Tussauds in Berlin have just installed their first model of Hitler - though ask people not to pose with it like they do with the other dummies! (and portrayed at the end of the war in the bunker, rather than in a triumphant early-war pose).

Just is stretching it a bit, it was four years ago and people are apparently unable to pose with it because it is roped off:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 67,00.html

And then it was attacked on the day of opening:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 41,00.html

I'm not sure that it is that Germans are getting less sensitive about their history or more that with time they are prepared and able to talk about it. Particularly now that so many who were involved and wanted it all hushed up so that they didn't lose their high positions in large companies are now dead.

I am not convinced that any new openness by Germany on the subject of their horrific past will extend to them seeing the swaztika as acceptable. And to do so would be, to put it mildly, politically unwise considering their financial dominance of Europe.

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Posted : 28/03/2012 3:05 pm
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Ahhh thanks for the correction, i assumed it was more recent as it resurfaced on google news - another good lesson to not believe all you read online! :D


 
Posted : 28/03/2012 3:13 pm
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Ahhh thanks for the correction, i assumed it was more recent as it resurfaced on google news - another good lesson to not believe all you read online! :D

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Posted : 28/03/2012 3:46 pm
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bugger banning nazi stuff, they were only in power for 12 years.

:sarcasm: sort out historys real tyrants, the romans

i want a ban on all things roman, those evil swine oppressed my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather, about 86 A.D , he was a maker of square wheels on the south coast

vile evil people from the past who condoned slavery and murder.

ban all roman memorabilia :ghey:


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