I have a steingrau pais of officer's riding breeches that I bought by accident about a year ago. They're wool rather than gabardine. I'd like to incoroprate them into a uniform and was thinking of promoting my M36 tunic. Couple of questions:
Is there an officer's version of the M36 or is it the same as the EM?
Do the litzen and chest eagle need changing for officers?
Are these pantaloons suitable for junior officers as well as senior ones?
Anything else to consider / spend money on?
As I understand it, Junior officers and even senior officers would and did wear EM tunic's when they were in the Field, the Private purchase Gabadine tunics with french cuff's etc would be brough and worn for walking out, or when in the rear, not when rolling around in the mud on the front line!
Usually the officers would affix officer quality insignia in wire bullion, so Litzen and brest Eagle would usually be changed for officer types but not always.
Here's a well known chap by the name of Erwin who looks quite at home in his EM M36
“I wanted to come to the Volga at a specific location at a specific city. By chance it carries the name of Stalin himself. So don’t think I marched there for this reason – it could carry another name – but because there is a very important goal... this goal I wanted to take – and you know – we are very modest, we have it already."
Adolf Hitler, November 1942
"Comrades, Red Army men, commanders and political workers, men and women guerrillas! It is on your perseverance, staunchness, fighting skill and readiness to discharge your duty to the country that the defeat of the German-fascist army and the liberation of the Soviet land from the Hitlerite invaders depend! We can and must clear the Soviet land of Hitlerite vermin."
Joseph Stalin, November 1942
Sehr interessant
Now I know it's always dodgy to take info from hollywood films, but here is a still from Valkyrie which seems to show three variations of tunic colours, None are the french cuffed pocketless Waffenrock.
EDIT: On closer inspection all these tunics seem to have french cuffs, even von Haeften's feldgraue one. The collars look more pointy as well.
Also what does the braid lanyard represent?
The Aiguillettes (Braid Lanyard as you described) worn here is worn by an Leutnant Haeften, Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg's Adjutant. It's a mark of office (Adjutant). Also worn by officers for display purposes only - certain ceremonial occasions and on certain forms of dress
Source of information relating to the Aigullettes - German Army uniforms and Insignia 1933-1945, Brian L. Davis. Page 59 Section 2.7
Martin, the main things to consider would be:
Officer's belt
Litzen, chest eagle & shoulderboards
Officer's boots
Headwear
As Boshman said, certainly EM tunics were worn by some officers in the field. Also, EM belt and buckle were also worn by some officers too. Boots - well, again you could get away with anything in the field really, and as regards headgear, the Stahlhelm would be equally acceptable as an officer's cap. I think that the main thing would be the officer's insignia - I do not recall any photos of officers wearing EM insignia - although now I've said that, somebody will probably dig one out! In addition, a map case always adds to the look.
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Martin, I have officers collar litzen and I think a chest eagle that I got from Steiner and never used, you can have them for nothing. I also have an officers belt that I had made for me, you'll need to trim loads off (skinny sod!) but you are welcome to have a look and see if it's any use to you.
Danke sehr.
I've just been sniped out of a pair of vintage high shaft mens riding boots on e-bay so I'll put this project on the back burner until I find another pair. I'll take you up on the offer later though.
I'll bring them to Brittany if you're popping down for that one, if not, PM me your address and I'll stick them in the post to you.
hello BedsnHerts, if you ever want to go on parade, I have parade belt/buckle and augullettes, for Heer and SS officers, belt/buckle augullettes £45.00 posted UK only. (I bet I have spelled augullettes wrong!!) when the 1939/45 war started, issue of service caps and waffenrocks stopped for sergeants and other ranks, so offers used service tunics when parades were held in the field, general rank officers were particularly fond of wearing piped field service tunics or field tunics for parades.
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Just my 2 penneth ...yes you could do it with EM tunic trousers and boots, but then why bother. Most pics show officers wearing the pukka gear, it's aprt of what made them officers so if yers going to go for it....... do it in style . Officers gear is diffrent but not wildy more expensive then any other .
if yers going to go for it....... do it in style . Officers gear is diffrent but not wildy more expensive then any other .
Yes, that's my take as well. It's justifying the expenditure that's the sticking point
UNRELATED NOTE: Some of the po-faced criticism about Valkyrie that I've read included the comment that Cruise's character was referred to by other officers as Stauffenberg, rather than von Stauffenberg. The "von" bit denotes aristocratic heritage (unless you're Austrian, in which case Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all have a "von" in front of their name). After chatting to some posh Germans last week it transpires that other aristo Germans of the same class and senior officers in the military would NOT use the "von" prefix. His juniors would have called him von Stauffenberg. His seniors and his cronies would have just called him Stauffenberg.
Here endeth the lesson on the German class system
Thread necromancy time, I've got together an officers uniform. cheating a bit using modern riding boots but saved a fortune. What would be suitable for use as a shirt? I'm after a look alike as opposed to a replica but I'm unsure about the collar.