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Poacher
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I'd not use them for late war Pzr Gren. If you had the grenadier piped mounted ones I go with it.
Either generics or green piped would be better, it would be unusual to see infantry litzen.


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Posted : 26/03/2009 9:10 pm
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Yes they are infantry tabs. I don't think you'd get be likely to see grenadiers with mounted tabs like that as they were primarily early was issue when grenadiers didn't exist but I could be wrong. As Poacher says generic or green piped litzen would be your best bet- generic were the most common and allows you to change branch just by switching shoulderboards. :good:

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Posted : 26/03/2009 9:25 pm
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They look like EM ones to me. You're better of colouring the ones you have rather than buying those others I'd say. Then you can give them the correct colour and you may need to do the same for the piping for the backing.


 
Posted : 26/03/2009 9:56 pm
Poacher
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If you are wearing the special uniform [wrap] pipe it and pen it.
If you are using the regular tunic, dump the green backing and pen it.
They look em to me.


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Posted : 26/03/2009 11:51 pm
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OOOH...controversial questions :D

there's an entire thread on this: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1197120

someone has even coined the phrase "re-enachronism" :rofl:

see it all depends on if you're portraying motorised PG or not...


 
Posted : 27/03/2009 6:12 pm
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If you are wearing the special uniform [wrap] pipe it and pen it.
If you are using the regular tunic, dump the green backing and pen it.
They look em to me.

Can't dump the green backing off them, mate, they're embroidered :D


 
Posted : 27/03/2009 11:53 pm
Von Straffham
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If you are wearing the special uniform [wrap] pipe it and pen it.

Do you know of any close up colour images which show how this should look? :?




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Posted : 15/04/2009 9:19 pm
Steiner
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What look are you aiming for, VS?



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Posted : 15/04/2009 9:34 pm
Von Straffham
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What look are you aiming for, VS?

Panzergrenadier 1940 Wrap/Special uniform, based around 60th Regt - a close up colour pic of the Litzen details would be great ie exactly where the piping etc goes - is it L shape, right around the tabs etc. Poacher and others have pointed me in the right direction with this but a decent colour pic specific to this uniform would be helpful if any exist.




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Posted : 15/04/2009 10:12 pm
Poacher
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OOOH...controversial questions :D

there's an entire thread on this: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1197120

someone has even coined the phrase "re-enachronism" :rofl:

see it all depends on if you're portraying motorised PG or not...

And what they fail to mention is that despite the regs it does depend upon the Division.
Panzer Lehr are well known for their unusual take on the litzen question. You can find original examples on green wool [like those of the M36 tunic]backing or field grey wool [like the stug or panzerjaeger]all piped with the Lehr acid green. It was a particular shade that they seemed to use. They are usually the generic type green and grey that are so mounted though I do recall seeing the late war grey and grey version.

Keep an eye on the Collectors Guild web site, it's a good place to see some of the more obscure items that were worn.

Von S, what you are after for Lehr is the same as a stug collar patch but with mounted litzen and piped light green.
For the Windhund, as we discussed, there is little photographic record that shows the 60th in special uniforms. Loads of the recce company, who seemed not to wear litzen, just the stug type patch with or without skulls with a myriad of piping colours.
The GD, who also got Special Uniforms wore the litzen direct on the collar like infantry, no backing like Lehr used. Perhaps this was how the Windhund wore theirs?


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Posted : 19/04/2009 2:41 pm
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