PBI Weapons

I'm not sure a side feed will affect the hop.

the only problem i can see wiht a side feed is if you use winding hi cap, you'll have to tilt the gun sideways while you wind.

once the bb is fed into the chamber if the hop stays where its meant to be it going to impart spin as normal isnt it?

provided the side feed doesnt go too high it should be OK I think

I'd heard thompson mid cap and lo cap internals fit in sten mags so was planning to avoid hicaps

I found a variety of sites than can provide us with sten tubes/stocks/all sorts of bits too

Oh the other slight problems where to put the battery! wondering if a stick battery would fit in the tube stock seen in that thread above. are they hollow?

excellent.

if we can get sten stocks, and we have a template for the reciever.
aa source for gears and use thompson mags (or even better cheaper pmp40 ones) we're away!

must admit I've never done much metal work. with the receiver is it just a case of wrapping the template round the right size tube then cutting where needed?

oh and does anyone have a m14 gearbox they can measure up for us?

I thought it was more case of bending some sheet steel or aliminium.

Evos is the man to ask, he's good at tinkering with metla things.

FA-MAS hop up unit, cut the feed tube from the bottom and move it to the side. drill new hole and fill old one. Its works, I have done two.

I found a variety of sites than can provide us with sten tubes/stocks/all sorts of bits too

Oh the other slight problems where to put the battery! wondering if a stick battery would fit in the tube stock seen in that thread above. are they hollow?

the main problem i've personally got is what parts constitute part of the firearm, for example, this place sells pretty much everything:

http://www.aa-ok.com/othergun.htm

but i'm not legally sure what bits we can import.

As far as the battery goes, i was planning on making the stock from a possibly slightly oversized tube section and hiding a custom battery in there, possibly using the metal stock itself.

I could be wrong, but as I understand it its the parts of the firing mech we cant bring in. bolt, trigger mech, barrel etc. so I think body bits are ok. egun parts have been fine about body bits before but never done anything quite like this before

found that site earlier, really good stock. no body though. i found another site for that.
http://stenparts.com/Tubes/tubes.html

I love the look of Sten guns, I was planning on copying a custom made Sten off ASC, I PM'd the chap that made it and politely asked him for instuctions etc, and was informed that the body needed to be machined as did quite a few of the other parts.

Now, as I'm a desk jockey and don't have any REAL machining experience (nor access to said tools) this put the damper on my little plans!

However, here's what the chap told me...

For plans you need to borrow a real Sten from a friend and then to make it you need a milling machine, metalwork lathe and the ability to make accurate patterns to mold to create the more complex parts. A vacuum chamber is needed for casting the components too. So it's pretty complicated really.

I know it doesn't explain anything other than how I won't be able to make one, but if you fine chaps have access to the required machinery, it may give you a little bit of a heads up!

I love the look of Sten guns, I was planning on copying a custom made Sten off ASC, I PM'd the chap that made it and politely asked him for instuctions etc, and was informed that the body needed to be machined as did quite a few of the other parts.

Now, as I'm a desk jockey and don't have any REAL machining experience (nor access to said tools) this put the damper on my little plans!

However, here's what the chap told me...

For plans you need to borrow a real Sten from a friend and then to make it you need a milling machine, metalwork lathe and the ability to make accurate patterns to mold to create the more complex parts. A vacuum chamber is needed for casting the components too. So it's pretty complicated really.

I know it doesn't explain anything other than how I won't be able to make one, but if you fine chaps have access to the required machinery, it may give you a little bit of a heads up!

i have the lathe and milling machine, so that's not a problem. I also have a setup for casting in pewter, but tha't too soft for most uses.

i think between milling the main tube, and buying the other parts online, i could knock one up pretty cheaply.

Rhysd, not sure... the stock actually holds the spring guide in place on a real sten, so could technically be part of the gun mech and hence a section 5 part... not sure!

I do know that people trade original ones to go on deacs though... but they may be replicas?

And certainly I'm sure that a receiver would be a problem!

I reckon with a sten MkII there are virtually no real parts that will be usable anyway.

On my Blank Firing MkII the only real part is the cover over the trigger mech... that makes me think the only safe way to go is to make the whole thing yourself!

I'd avoid reciever bits( thats why Warren uses Aluminium as opposed ot Steel- no debate about conversion then) , however the forward magwell and catch would probably help a lot. It's not hard ot fabricate remembering my old S&S one, just time consuming.

I'd also suggest making a batch of three or four at one time if you can get enough takers.

I'd avoid reciever bits( thats why Warren uses Aluminium as opposed to Steel- no debate about conversion then) , however the forward magwell and catch would probably help a lot. It's not hard to fabricate remembering my old S&S one, just time consuming.

I'd also suggest making a batch of three or four at one time if you can get enough takers.

yes, it was mainly the magwell setup and the trigger mech cover that would be the awkward parts to knock up, buying them would save lots of effort.

well with the patterns we have making the receiver from alu wouldnt be to hard I imagine. then the other bits we can import. if they wont import directly to us(as alot of american companies wont) I have numerous friends there I can have it sent to and then on to us.

you can do a mk2. schmitty over on the american boards did one. However he had to heavily modify a AK box to make it work. m14 box should be easier. I quite fancy a mk2 myself. more iconic IMO.

making a patchett should be fairly easy as you can use a standard ak or mp5 gearbox(as it has a pistol grip). mp5 might be best as their mags are curved and not all that different to real steel ones.

enfield.... thats another story. still trying to work out a easy way of doing this one

I'd be up for a Mk2... I also have a BF for use as a template if need be...

Its a shame we'd have to consider using aluminium... getting paint to stick to that is a right royal pain.

I'd actually consider plastic rather than using it!

even when using a metal paint like a car paint etc? I have some matt black spray from halfords thats brilliant stuff.

anyone have any pictures of a patchett? been trying to dig stuff up on the web with not much luck

yup... even using that.

My S&S Sten has special aluminium primer on it and still it comes off...

I've used acid etch priver on ally and monkey metal before now , as Rich says it sticks a little better but still comes off . Using steel would mean you could go for parkerising or bluing , but then you want some heavier fabrication kit. Using ally of course makes it harder ot weld , (unless you can weld ally which I can't )

Been having the same thoughts about the joys of trying to fab a PPSH41 , although at least with that you get a wood stock to play with .

And of course manufacturing RIFS is now covered by the VCR act

i'll be using mild steel. useless as a real gun, but much harder than ally, which i hate working with as it's like plasticine on a lathe.

as far as the Lee enfield goes, there are three options, buy an S+S kit, buy it in real-steel spare parts and manufacture the rest, or buy a Denix replica SMLE and be prepared to spend a lot of time chopping the wood out to fit the gubbins.

So far i'm looking at the latter option, as i've got a denix on order, and i'll be using one of the MP001 VSR clones as the donor gun.