I think we've made ourselves look like total twats

I don't think anyone's made us look like twats. Webby has agreed with what most have said.

I think locking the thread's a bit extreme, the discussion was going in a good direction, locking just looks like we've said that they can't continue to talk about it.

I just thought he'd look odd in USMC kit at this event, considering it's not a woodland event, but also because the USMC aren't remotely in context in ETO. Its exactly why we didn't allow Yanks at Arnhem, much to my disappointment, didn't stop me putting something together though.

NB: Heather's got a strop on for some reason....also completely agree that we shouldn try to avoid wherever possible putting event specific restrictions on kit.

S

I had actually talked webby around via PM before all this kicked off to be honest.

I agree about being inclusive but also logical.
having USMC makes about as much sense as th Afrika Korps defending it would.

I agree fully with the sentiments, however if as a newcomer that was the first thread on this forum I read, I think I would come away with the strong impression that we are all stitch nazis, which is not what we want .

I would rather let peer pressure work to get people to put together correct impressions than for us to try to dictate, as I think it will backfire on us . Arnhem worked once, but would shouldn't be pulling that trick too often . If someone turns up in Flectarn we should be just as enthusiatic as if they had the full orginal SS gear as worn by grandad .

Whilst we all have a POV , I'm also aware of how it looks when all the mods gang up on someone on ASCUK . I'm not saying that was going on , just we have to be aware of how it comes across . We're the friendly inclusive forum .

Oh yeah and you don't see this going on amongst the Germans

That's because you don't have Matt and Heather on your side.

Actually I like Matt a lot. Heather....

Unfortunately he's really under her thumb.

Yes but i'll admit now that i'm losing patience with webby a bit.

botb - has a strop because he got shot and it hurt...

pre-Arnhem - has a strop cos we wont ben history to put the 3rd division US in the battle for Arnhem town

Buys the kit then needlessly insists on putting cheshires insignia on it (trivial i know but seemed a totlal waste to time)

Moans that there isnt a game for US players.

The at churchills moans and (as i did) leaves early.

Now with the perfect opportunity to use either of his existing US loadouts decideds he wants to play a unit stationed on the other side of the world.

As i said earlier i really dont think Webby and Heb want to be involved with what they do, they really want WWII open days which is cool but i thught we were going for atmosphere.

Now i'm fully aware that no2 commando were as rich points out in yugoslavia in mid 44 and itlay in 45, gross deusctland never left the ostfront and the staffords were not at the ardennes.... but there is only so far you can stretch it beforeit just gets silly and i think i'd just had enough of webby and heb moaning and pushing.

TBH lads i've had one player asking me via pm if he can be put in a brit section as the whole moaning thing has put him off playing alongside certain us players..

It is having a detrimental effect on player morale.

Now with the perfect opportunity to use either of his existing US loadouts decides he wants to play a unit stationed on the other side of the world.

Lol! When you put it like that it does sound rather obstructive.

TBH lads i've had one player asking me via pm if he can be put in a brit section as the whole moaning thing has put him off playing alongside certain us players..

It is having a detrimental effect on player morale.

Really? Who from? I'm still very fucked off about The Exodus of the Allies from CR which is why I want to experience the German side for a game and see if I can learn a thing or two about why the morale, gamesmanship and enthusiasm seems to be so much better on that team.

TBH lads i've had one player asking me via pm if he can be put in a brit section as the whole moaning thing has put him off playing alongside certain us players..

It is having a detrimental effect on player morale.

My point exactly, stop fucking fostering this ! The event is three months away and this conversation with Webby could have been done quietly the weekend before, instead of which it's plastered all over our forum .

If the pair of you don't want them to come to our games then convince the rest of us to ban them . There are players on both sides I like more or less , just fucking ignore them . Syd called me to ask if he could come to CR , partly coz of all the shit he put me through , of course I said yes , even though the extra work got right on my tits.

CHILL OUT

Rhysd2

He is looking towards playing brit if he can.

If he cant change kit and i've told him he neednt he wants to be attached to brit squad.

Really? Who from? I'm still very fucked off about The Exodus of the Allies from CR which is why I want to experience the German side for a game and see if I can learn a thing or two about why the morale, gamesmanship and enthusiasm seems to be so much better on that team.

IMHO no fixed squads. Players play with their mates not in some arbitary army . And we are far less snobby about kit and uniform . Thats why the Germans bonded , we are more about fun FFS.

I think its actually cos you've essentially formed two pseudo 'teams' within th e german players (unwittingly im sure)

having the same cap badge, armband, camo or whatever does a lot for esprit de corp

essentially you have two real units.

Hohenstaufen

and the northern lot doing GD

Its the main reason for getting together an allied commando group with a common cap badge, i think its going to create more of a group feeling, as it is the allies tend to play as about 15 different 'looks'.

Its not the only factor but i think it plays a part.

The germans are the germans, the allies are split by comedy UK/yank rivalry being acted out.

IMHO no fixed squads. Players play with their mates not in some arbitary army . And we are far less snobby about kit and uniform . Thats why the Germans bonded , we are more about fun FFS.

I only had fixed squads because we had to be dropped in sticks. I made it clear that they should try and stick together until we RVd at the Hill then we'd go from there ad hoc.

As we never managed to find Yith's squad we then split into two to attack the 88's and decided to keep it in the squads we'd been in for the morning.

Attacking an objective from multiple angles without any structure would have been impossible unless we were all attacking from one point. Defending without squads with a fixed regen point is easy, attacking isn't.

But this is a different discussion.

The germans are the germans, the allies are split by comedy UK/yank rivalry being acted out.

And BoB wannabe fucktards. (I include myself)

I think its actually cos you've essentially formed two pseudo 'teams' within th e german players (unwittingly im sure)

having the same cap badge, armband, camo or whatever does a lot for esprit de corp

essentially you have two real units.

Hohenstaufen

and the northern lot doing GD

Its the main reason for getting together an allied commando group with a common cap badge, i think its going to create more of a group feeling, as it is the allies tend to play as about 15 different 'looks'.

Its not the only factor but i think it plays a part.

The germans are the germans, the allies are split by comedy UK/yank rivalry being acted out.

Quite the opposite, my mates in flectarn and black BDUs felt part of the same group despite knowing fuck all about WWII . Dropping the obsession with uniform and unit and get peoeple together as mates / players. It's not the army or reenactment it's adult play with toy guns. It helps that we are not split UK or US as you say , but this is why you should be looking to get people together not split them up by 2nd Commando, 82nd airborne.

I disagree Guy, its not what i've seen.

And i did tell Webby discretely if you read what said previously.

I think we need a bit of consistency here.

Last meeting we were all on about 'raising the bar' and banning flectarn now were swinging the other way.

Personally i think tightly theming the games as we did for Arnhem did us no harm, in fact quite the opposite, everybody got really into it.

the 'obsession' as you put it with uniform and unit might be why some people do it , you know it just might be a motivating factor for some people... otherwise we'd all be playing in green overalls wouldnt we?

Guy... can we please not lock/edit threads that have organisers involved in them.

If there is an issue with something we are discussing then please bring it up in the private forums before doing anything.

Thanks.

Guy... can we please not lock/edit threads that have organisers involved in them.

If there is an issue with something we are discussing then please bring it up in the private forums before doing anything.

Thanks.

I did bring it to the private bit, but despite raising concerns the tone of this forum continued with 4 people having a go at Neil Blume

Having spoken ot Gadge at lenght tonight apparently berating players for not living up to our high standards is ok , and pissing people off is not something we should be concerned with .

We run the risk of stopping being inclusive and this forum is getting more like ASCUK when it takes 4 mods to answer a criticism .

The route we are going down is depressing me , it's not what we set up .

Anyone want ot discuss call me on 01484 667 152

Guy that is not what i said you've taken that enitrely out of context and put words into my mouth.

I simply didnt agree with you

my points were

1) an element of suspension of disbelief and theme is required for quality game, having people playing units completely out of theater makes things abit farcical.

I asked you if you'd let someone play at a game dressed as Goerring and you said 'yes if he's paid' i odnt think its about having massive numbers it sabout having people up for the roleplay/theme of the scenario not numbers for the sake of numbers.

As Kermit said you wouldnt turn up to a black hawk down game in uk DPM, i mean yeah both units are still part of nato in the same time period but its not right is it?

I merely pointed out that i'd already handled the incident wiht webby via pm, it then went public and i said what i'd said privatley openly so no 'behind the scenes ' debate was going on.

The fact that four of us independently agreed that USMC was not appropriate was not 'ganging up' but common sense.

Neil obviously has an axe to grind about hsi son playing but again i've spoken to Neil via PM , to my knoweldge we are on friendly terms, i am quite happy to forward pms with Neils permission to show this.

Its not such a big issue really.

I dont thihnk Webby iss that bothered, i know Neil isnt now...

(In fact to prove this ios complete overreaction heres my last message form Neil - hopefully that proves that everything is ok)

Gadge wrote:
Ok, dont take this personally as i enjoyed talking to you at CR and would hate it if we fell out over something trivial.

I totally agree...

"I mentioned the age thing as you brought it up in a public post that he wasnt allowed to play at our game so it was obviously a sore point."

My intention in mentioning it in the GZ weekender post was not to make an issue of it and i would have mentioned it regardless of my previous discussion with Kermit, as it is a real reason I go there I would personally prefer to only do ww2 airsoft, but that would mean excluding him, so it was merely a statement of fact , not a whinge.
And it really has nothing to do with my post, the implication is that i have some sort of issue with it which is why I am complaining now which is really not the case.

"I agreed with you vampyr might have been cool but later research shows it to be an incredibly late war thing and out of our timescale."

yep but it would have fitted with the theme of wunderwaffen fantastically!Smile

with regards to the age thing i'm afraid it was something we decided as a group we were not happy with at cia events.

As i said I have No problem with the age thing - disappointing but its your perogative hey if iwas that upset about it I wouldn't be coming.

I hope that clears up what was becoming a messy discussion!Very Happy
look forward to speaking to you again!

iSmile