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can't make it to the next open day as new menu at work in and all kitchen lot been dragged in to learn how to cook it all the joy. was basing it on what i'd seen on tv and games like brothers in arms (not exactly super accurate) like i said im not trying to portray any specific unit so looking at online photos of any unit will do me.

as for the belt well i havent loaded it up and ran around in it yet so dont know what i will be putting where but on my modern assault vest i pack my dump pouches with spare ammo and pyro's so would be doing the same with my new gear i suspect.

on the photo that was posted most of the guys seem to be wearing nets on their helmets and the one on the right of the flag holding the sword does seem to be wearing his webbing rather high as in my photo. is that just me miss interpreting that? and i am wearing some braces underneath the jacket to keep the trousers high (being part of the have half your boxers showing generation anything above the hips is high though lol)


 
Posted : 02/02/2010 10:46 am
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As Poacher say, the position of a belt is quite logical - you have to get into your pockets! And yes, 1940s belts/trousers are worn properly on the waist not the hips as we do now and so appear very Simon Cowell-ish (actually, I think the current trend is for the jeans trouser waist band to be placed below the buttocks :shock: ). :lol:


 
Posted : 02/02/2010 11:00 am
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Large square helmet nets are a bit of a Hollywood-ism. That said, the string that the net's made of does look very thick, so it might be worth getting another one so it fits between the shell and liner properly.

The pistol belt should sit directly over the M42 jacket's integral belt. It looks fine where it is.




 
Posted : 02/02/2010 12:50 pm
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There may be a few of us attending the FSA game on the 20th perhaps, and we would be in our WW2 clothings - though we know not which ones.


 
Posted : 02/02/2010 2:05 pm
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Well maybe it's just me (I don't know much about US kit) but some of your advice to paperpirate seems contradictory:

the large square helmet from SOF is good! Looks great on the helmet too

but none of the real 101st guys seem to be wearing large mesh nets :? Looking good doesn't always equal looking accurate.

Drop the belt down about 3 inches using the adjusters on the suspenders

The soldier holding the machete is wearing his belt exactly like paperpirate. Is he doing it wrong too?

By posting a picture of yourself instead of an archive photo in response to a query on how to wear kit, you're effectively saying "Do it like we do".

Nevermind, not worth an argument over, but since you bring up that you don't know much about US Kit and if you've never worn Airborne kit, why not try it out before making pedantic comments about something that you've never worn before; post edited...


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Posted : 03/02/2010 10:11 am
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Large mesh nets do tend to be an 82nd thing in Normandy, 507th and 508th mostly.


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Posted : 03/02/2010 10:25 am
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I made no disagreements about the type of net, I simply said that the large nets look good, are easier to camo than the small weave. I have a problem with small mindedness. Anyway, I've lost interest now, don't see the point in giving advice to new comers if it's going to be poo-poo'd for an inane reason.


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Posted : 03/02/2010 2:58 pm
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why not try it out before making pedantic comments about something that you've never worn before; post edited...

I'm not trying to be pedantic. I'm simply pointing out that you've advised a newcomer to look at pictures for his 101st impression and then given him two bits of advice that seem to conflict with the pictures.

You've confused me and I imaging you've confused paperpirate as well.


 
Posted : 03/02/2010 3:06 pm
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The valuable leasson is there is disgreement over the right answer.

I think the thing to fixate on is Chomley's utter disregard for below buttock trousering. Surely it's worth is entirely dependent on the quality of the buttocks?


 
Posted : 03/02/2010 3:08 pm
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The large nettins was, I believe, taken from large camo nets for jeeps and such modified to fit on helmets. It was much more common to have the smaler nettig and so having the smaller stuff would enable you to use the helmet and netting for many other things if, for instance, you someday got line infnatry gear (me and my shameless plugs :wink:).


 
Posted : 03/02/2010 3:15 pm
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why not try it out before making pedantic comments about something that you've never worn before; post edited...

I'm not trying to be pedantic. I'm simply pointing out that you've advised a newcomer to look at pictures for his 101st impression and then given him two bits of advice that seem to conflict with the pictures.

You've confused me and I imaging you've confused paperpirate as well.

I advised him to look at pictures of the real deal, it's how I put together my kit and it's how Dog Co. put together all their kit, I then said that there are plenty of people out there who can advise him on what is comfortable/uncomfortable, which is where the picture came in. I was merely pointing out that if you look at the 2 pictures (the one you picked is the one we were attempting to emulate to an extent) they are quite similar other than not having a huge machete.
The comment about the helmet netting is from a practical point of view, they do look better than the smaller nets but also are less prone (from experience) to getting snagged on twigs and branches...however I understand that it may not be the most accurate of pieces of kit.
Regarding the pants, I am border line on the 'jeans below the hips generation' and I still wear them high up on the waist...otherwise they look bloody awful and you can't move in them properly. It isn't a fashion show, the top of the pants should be around your belly button...


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Posted : 03/02/2010 3:30 pm
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I've got a pair of 1955-dated MoD civilian trousers that button up around my sternum. :shock:




 
Posted : 03/02/2010 3:35 pm
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I've got a pair of 1955-dated MoD civilian trousers that button up around my sternum. :shock:

:lol: I bet they look smashing!


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Posted : 03/02/2010 3:38 pm
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Regarding the pants, I am border line on the 'jeans below the hips generation' and I still wear them high up on the waist...otherwise they look bloody awful and you can't move in them properly. It isn't a fashion show, the top of the pants should be around your belly button...

Blimey, you are a bit of a Simon Cowell then! I wear jeans with belt on the hips, WW2 stylee is for belts on the waist. Weird that when I don WW2 US, Brit or German troos it feels like they are under my armpits!


 
Posted : 03/02/2010 3:38 pm
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The large nettins was, I believe, taken from large camo nets

Not always. The 507 and 508th had custom made large mesh nets fabricated in the USA.

It was much more common to have the smaler nettig

Dont forget there were 2 main types of the smaller net from British stocks. 1/2 inch and 3/4 inch. The use of these can help identify the time and place of a photo and to a degree the unit.
I knew there were some differences in nets used but not that there was so much depth to the topic.
How long before we get an Osprey book on this?


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Posted : 03/02/2010 4:04 pm
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This net thing isnt gonna end up like a Blanco thing is it lol :lol:


 
Posted : 03/02/2010 5:25 pm
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This net thing isnt gonna end up like a Blanco thing is it lol :lol:

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Blame the British.... :giggle:


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Posted : 03/02/2010 5:28 pm
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heh... the yanks did use british nets as well. hehe :)


 
Posted : 03/02/2010 7:43 pm
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Olive green net or tan though? WHICH ONE????? :lol: :wink:

The British type nets issued included some of the two tone nets [poss from Canadian stocks]. Best of both worlds.


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Posted : 03/02/2010 10:06 pm
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will be attending fearful silence site on the 20th so will see you there and hopefully have my thompson by then. the helmet net issues well it cam free with the helmet and so probably isn't correct styling just looks better than a blank helmet in my opinion. will be wearing some braces to try and keep the pants high up but they are strangly high compared the ususal fitting lol.

oh and i dont have any old boots yet so the modernness of black ones will have to be excused for the time being


 
Posted : 04/02/2010 11:37 am
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