SS 2nd Panzer Div

2nd SS Panzer Division " DAS REICH" - that's easy lol let me dig out my info

which period of the war are you thinking on? Oh and have you a specific NCO Rank?

erm....1943 cos I like the hat!!!

Im horrified to own up to my ignorance on German uniforms!!!! Despite just reading Beevors superb Stalingrad and Shirers Rise and Fall...all amazing books but no juicy pics!!!

So correct me if Im wrong here!!

m43 Black Ski cap or M40 with Panzer badge......Bevo?? Wool??
Grey /blue shirt with black tie
Black Panzer Wrap with panzer Unteroffizier shoulder boards, collar tabs??
Black Panzer trousers
Jackboots or ankle boots?

Belt? Buckle? Basic Webbing??
Weapon will be MP40

Rank.....Sgt Major???

Want to look like Ive just jumped out of a brewing Tiger!!!!

Ok from the top....

Either black M43 with 1 piece Bevo insignia or M40 - with two piece Bevo insignia (eagle and Skull)
Grey/green shirt - ask Anthony for correct colours
Pink waffenfarbe on Black backed shoulder straps - rank of your choice
Waffen-SS Runes with appropriate Rank collar patches
Jackboots are fine, there were shorter boots for 'tankie's' but if only for airsoft? - just have the trousers over hanging, since panzer trousers are supposed to be baggy.

Get an EM's black leather belt and Waffen-SS EM's belt buckle.

To go with the - 'just jumped out of the Tiger look' a pistol/holster, 1 triple MP-40 pouch and your MP-40

Oh do you know the model of Panzer Tunic? Vertical or slanted front closure?

Belt and SS buckle - but no Y-straps.

If its Sgt Major your going for then that would make you a Hauptsharfuher or if you wanted to be a Regimental sgt Major that would make you a Sturmscharfuhrer, which incidently is the rank i have on my 1st SS panzer division uniform.

Jackboots should be fine for a 1943 look as there were worn in Russia, correct me if i'm wrong!

Incidently as your going to be portraying a SNCO you could get away with an officers belt, i wear one with mine!


Last one just for a bit of fun!

Not 100% accurate but it gives you and idea!

Just a quick thing, did you get the right cut for the pansy wrappings for SS as its different to heer, though at the moment my mind is completely blank as to which is which

Just a quick thing, did you get the right cut for the pansy wrappings for SS as its different to heer, though at the moment my mind is completely blank as to which is which

i asked this earlier

Just a quick thing, did you get the right cut for the pansy wrappings for SS as its different to heer, though at the moment my mind is completely blank as to which is which

I think Heer....... is slanted and WSS is straight ..........according to my copy of BL Davis ....

IMHO..... Sod going Das Reich ( murdering bxxxxxxxs ........ Oradour sur Glane .....)

most Panzer Jocks go 27th ....cheaper headgear too !

The jacket is straight cut...if you mean how the buttons line up???

Sounds right, Houndsworth - the Heer wrap actually wraps over one side.

The jacket is straight cut...if you mean how the buttons line up???

SS Pattern Tanker jacket then

Erm......I misunderstood you all...sorry...the jacket is a wrapover fastening on the right side!!! So would I be correct in choosing to do Gross Deutchsland Div as they were Army and not SS??
If so Ive wasted all your efforts in helping me!!! So I'll start again..

Hi Everyone Im looking to portray a tankie Sgt Major of the GD Div!!!

In regards to originally wanting to do Das Reich...Im well aware of their history and would never wear that stuff for reenactment or in public...some do and thats their choice...but as its airsoft and not public events we are doing I assumed that would be ok??

both Heer and SS Panzer jackets fasten on the right hand side, we were asking if the edge is straight or slanted.

Waffen-SS Panzer Wrap -
Heer Panzer Wrap -

..but as its airsoft and not public events we are doing I assumed that would be ok??

No restrictions at all, barring common decency - one would question why someone turned up playing in Allgemeine kit though and use of the party salute would get short shrift...

Me and Keith would escort them off the site

I didnt want to cause any ructions here!!!!! This just highlights my lack of knowledge in regards to whats acceptable at airsoft events. To assume I would ever dream of using a nazi salute is extremely unfair unfounded and unwise. Gadge I would hope knows me enough to assure anyone that Im not that way inclined politically. It is merely an historical interest in that Division that is all. Dont assume Im not aware of the historical facts!

This does raise other questions though??? Its ok for some people to portray Russian troops...infamous for their treatment of Germans, Polish etc etc. Sgt McDiarmid of 2nd SAS should have been charged with a war crime...and theres countless other tales of crimes carried out by countless other armies.

As it is ,its a Heer wrap so will be doing GD!!!!! Very interesting article here.

http://www.feldgrau.com/interview6.html

I think Gadge has a GD Panzer uniform also - be cool seeing a couple of 'burned out' Heer Tankers

If you read the linked article JD you will see he was burned out on a number of occasions normally from accidents...its a miracle he survived and ended up in the US Army!!!!

To assume I would ever dream of using a nazi salute is extremely unfair unfounded and unwise

I didn't assume anything, you asked the question - I provided illustrative points! (And not specifically aimed at you either, there are other people who read the forum too )

As you infer, going down the route of banning portrayal because of who did what to whom is somewhat ridiculous. Fact is as long as we (the airsoft community, much as the reenactment community) steer clear of the political aspect then all's good. Frankly depicting anyone shooting anyone else could be construed as obscene in itself - but hey, we rationalise it and call it a hobby and live with it...