ACM MP44

Bit weird on the mag capacity front. The instruction book says to fill with 300bbs but I just dumped in a full Thompson mag's contents (nominally 450 but I've never counted) and then added exactly 100 bbs to brim it - making it a capacity of 550. Plenty enough for an entire 'life' so that will save me buying any more mags - one will do fine!

The good 'ole power level argument.

A long time ago (and I do mean a long time ago - hell, some of the people on here would have been at junior school at the time!) I used to be involved in private games that quite simply didn't have a power limit. XXXFPS+ and locaps was the general standard on AEG's. It was only possible do it it even half safely because it was very low numbers (circa 10 a side), the site was VERY open - you needed the range, we had a very restrictive MED, and finally the most important thing; those of us who did it used to shoot with each other on an almost weekly basis, and we trusted each other.

Would I do it again now? Nope. I don't shoot regularly enough with anyone to trust them that much.

Regarding Peppered's comment about the range of an MP44 - it was designed to be able to provide accurate fire out to about 300M. Not a chance in hell that you'd get a STEN or a Thompson to provide accurate fire at even 1/3rd of that range. The 9mm and .45 cartridges have nowhere near as much grunt as the 7.92K cartridge did.

Returning to what Steve from Airsoftworld-net spoke of earlier, what AGM have done is pretty much SOP for the mainland Chinese manufacturers. They are absolutely notorious for going back on their word and not sticking to contract. Underhanded? yes. Then again, that's Airsoft. I've been involved in the business side of Airsoft for a fair few years now - from running sites to reporting on it. I have my ear to the ground, and get some rather juicy tip-offs - and if you think such dodgy business practices are solely the reserve of those in the far east, then you'd be absolutely shocked at some of the things that have happened "behind the scenes" over here. You know, one of these days, I might just write up my Airsoft memoirs

Of all the Airsoft retailers in the UK only a handful have any contact with the manufacturers - or are prepared to take the risk in getting shafted by them, or the expense in visiting them. Most of 'em just buy chinese from RSOV, or just buy CA and TM from ASG........

I have counted them in the mag 1 at a time & wound it too, I get about 476 rounds in the Mp44 mag, also the battery that comes with it is poor, mine decided to cook its self while charging at 300Mah,

Steve.D

I like the stock

I like the stock

2 min job, just a thin coat of matt black spray, I will stain it properly when I get a chance but the paint looks better than bright orange wood,

Steve.D

* Sighs, knocks power down to 499fps to keep Ernie happy *

please don't be surprised if there is some discrete chrono'ing of MP44s at CiA games, just to be sure no one 'forgot' to downgrade...

I think some discreet chronoing of thompsons might also be in order...... just to keep it balanced!

Still, let's be safe and legal on this side of the water chaps, please don't be surprised if there is some discrete chrono'ing of MP44s at CiA games, just to be sure no one 'forgot' to downgrade...

I'd go one further and have an MP44 mag pre-loaded with .2g's at the chrono as well, just in case anyone is using heavier ammo to get below the limit. I've seen this happen countless times at other sites and would be very upset if a CiA player were to try the same thing and then shoot at me (or anyone else!) with it!

Yip

Was intending to do that.

Looking at the springs avalable I would suggest the following to stay within most site limits when fitting to your MP44:

my estimates to keep you withing the limits
Systema M100 325 to 335 fps,
PDI 140% 335 to 345 fps,

the PDI is cheaper

Steve.D

PDI are about the best springs around IMHO, i've used them for years - however, 140% will take you WAY over 330FPS. With half decent air seals in the usual places (nozzle to hop rubber skirt, piston head O ring to cylinder, air nozzle to cylinder head) I get around 320FPS on a PDI 120% with an M4 length barrel

Systema springs? Hate 'em lol

The PDI springs are very cheap over on ehobby asia, I have a a few AKs running PDI 140% springs with fairly standard internals & standard hop units, & all come in around the 335 to 345 fps mark, I have used the PDI 150% springs too but they go well over ther 350 fps,

Steve.D

Tried a more scientific method - couldn't be arsed to count 'em but contents of the mag weighed 91g x 0.2g = 455bbs plus those down the spout. So, there you are - way less than a 600rnd AK mag but a bit more than a hi-cap Thompson.

The good 'ole power level argument.
......Regarding Peppered's comment about the range of an MP44 - it was designed to be able to provide accurate fire out to about 300M. Not a chance in hell that you'd get a STEN or a Thompson to provide accurate fire at even 1/3rd of that range. The 9mm and .45 cartridges have nowhere near as much grunt as the 7.92K cartridge did.
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Thanks for the clarification, I know they were reasonbly powerful as them formed the bsis for the AK47 so woult out perform the 9mm autos but wasn't sure on the .45s. The range aspect makes sense though.

I guess what I was trying to say was some kind of rough guide for the max fps per weapon type just to keep things a bit more realistic.

As a suggestion -

9mm and a .45s max or less if possible 330fps (if you can)
MP44 max 350fps
support max 400fps (or 380 + tolerance)(how about semi autos like garands?)
bolt action 500fps max

Just means anything over 330fps has an increasing engagement range just to be safe but the weapon types can be used what they were for and have an airsoft performance to match?

What do people think?

the real stg 44 had a muzzle velocity of 2100 fps, mind you it was shooting a 125 grain round (8.1 gram) at 1909 jouls

so if its hitting 550 fps the airsoft is only a quater of its real steel brother

i supose the real question is, how many mp44s firing at the edge of the upper limit, with high caps are allowed in a game before it becomes an unfair blat fest? i wouldnt want a massive advantage that would leave every game result a forgone conclusion. i use high caps( half full) in my tommy gun, but it only puts out about 287-292 at best. if the allies are going to get their arses handed to them every game because of k98s and mp44s, how long before people get fed up of it and all become axis?

ive heard that arguement before scaley, cyma Thompson with Highcaps

airsoft weapons will never really be fair.....there not fair in real steel either, the idea is to gain an advantage, hence weapon development

but i do worry, about excessive use of "captured weapons" and side migration every time a new gun comes out

the main reason i do ww2 airsoft is to be part of a group the base themselves "loosley" around a historical period, rather than all the uber gucci shite you see at modern airsoft.

its so much better playing with identifyable uniforms on each side, and a fairly accurate weapon mix for the period

though it was thompsons for 75% of players 2 years ago

yeah cyma tommys can be a bit hot out of the box, but nothing like 500.

Agreed John, balance and common sense will prevail (but that won't stop others banging on about what other people should and shouldn't do!).

So, some general points since this thread has gone OT.

Gradually we are being blessed with more choice - this is a very good thing.

The fact is though, that no-one likes to be unduly disadvantaged. Indeed if they can get a technical advantage then so much the better. Despite what is said in forums the reality is always different. Look at what players actually do: duel wielding MP40s; upgrading MP40s with better springs, barrels, bushes, hops; upgrading K98 hops; chuck out low cap MP40 mags for midcaps; not dropping fps of beefy CYMA Thompsons; making sure their K98s are up near the 500 mark etc.

I'm not making a judgement, just pointing out the reality. I'm not personally bothered what players do to get the 'best' out of their guns nor what capacity magazine they use - and I've gone over this argument so many times in the past. But I am bothered about players telling other players what they should or shouldn't be doing. It's personal choice. By all means say 'I don't like using hicaps' but please don't say 'players who use hicaps arn't playing in the spirit of the game'. Likewise by all means say 'I can't justify an MP44, I'm more than happy with my MP40' but don't say 'us MP40 users are going to be outgunned by captured MP44s so ban them'. Say 'These new MP44s are bloody awesome' not 'I hope we don't see everyone in a game using MP44s'.

In other words, the advent of affordable MP44s (and Stens etc to come) is fantastic - lets take a positive view and embrace them. And with a bit of common sense games will be all the better for having the choice. The days of both sides almost entirely kitted out with TM Thompsons are over. Hoorah!

i am not saying anything like that. my point is that vast amounts of fire power spoil ww2( or indeed any) airsoft. i stopped playing modern stuff thanks to every other punter having an M249 with a box mag. wheres the fun in that? now we have the thompson/ MP44 deathmatch, i think a good thing. my point is the sheer madness of full auto at 500 .i do agree that having another period weapon available to us is a good thing, but there is a massive unbalance in allied/axis weapons.the thompson is widely used by all allied because their is no cheap and readily available allied SMG( or other weapon to be honest) .i think it will lead to a shift in sides.

My comments were entirely general Nige. Anyway, no one is advocating 500fps full auto, indeed if anyone DID try that at a CiA game it would not only lead to expulsion from the site but, by reputation, from the entire WW2 scene.

i like the MP44, if i had the money i would get a german laodout and have one. i wouldnt use one as a captured weapon though..... i prefere the look of the mp40 in allied hands ( very bridge too far and bridge at remagen, plus hundreds of escaping airmen on the rampage) but with a late war SS camo set up, no problem. lets just hope the teflon flecktarn brigade dont like them as much as we do.