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Lee Enfield no4 build with S+S budget parts

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dadio
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As the title say's this is a no4 build with the new budget S+S cast parts, the parts in question are the cocking handle and the breech block.the rest of the parts are either real or i believe a J G Bar 10 as donor gun.
right from the start i'm going to say that my aim is to do the best i can but these parts are a budget kit and for most people they will find it hard to produce a rifle as aesthetically accurate as the dearer S+S rifles.it would also be worth asking what donor gun they recommend as the breech cover did not fit over the bar10 breech, they seem designed for a smaller diameter breech ,this was not an issue for me as i just turned down the bat 10 breech to fit but it would be a huge amount of effort with a dremmel or other hand tool's .there is quite a bit of finishing to do on the cast parts to both true them up and smooth them out but nothing that cant be done with regular hand tools, again it really depends on what you want from the finished model.
anyway here's where i am, the fore stock has been milled out to accept the trigger assembly and breech ,the trigger guard has been milled to allow the slightly wider trigger , i thought it wiser to leave the trigger alone as you don't want to weaken it and there is no cosmetic cost however it would be easier for most to just thin the trigger down a bit.




next will be to do more milling of the fore stock to accept the hop unit and mag catch.

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Posted : 12/07/2013 1:11 pm
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put the breech detail on a back burner while i think, so another thing i wanted to try was to make removing the bolt easier, the bolt stopper is usually only removable if the breech is removed from the stock but it sits just above the magazine so i thought i'd make an extended stopper and attach it to the magazine so that by pulling out the mag you also removed the stopper, it worked well .also shortened the mag to fit at the same time.



armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 13/07/2013 2:22 pm
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As you said it sits above the real magazine could you have solved the whole forward mag problem of normal Enfield springers?

 
Posted : 13/07/2013 4:27 pm
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i cant think of a practical and reliable way to move the mag for the bb's back to the position of the real one, plus they were never loaded that way in the war ,the mag was a fit once and forget except for cleaning and not used for re loading, a better idea would be thinking of a way to top load it with bb's.
anyway finished up the day by trimming down the outer barrel to the point where it is only there to support the hop unit and inner barrel ,let that into the fore stock, always takes ages to get a really good fit but worth the time as its key to get everything aligned .

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 13/07/2013 6:56 pm
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Nice job so far :good:

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Posted : 13/07/2013 11:30 pm
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top woodwork fitted over hop ,had a job getting the barrel band fitted ,quite a bit had to be chiseled out but its a nice fit now.


next i need to make up the stock mounting piece or the outer barrel or cut the mag well....

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 14/07/2013 6:43 pm
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Ah if only I had your skills. Looking good.


 
Posted : 14/07/2013 7:27 pm
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a little more done today, started on the stock mount. used my usual method of taking steel tube section ,cut ,welded, re formed ,welded to the trigger guard and a cylinder of threaded steel welded in to take the stock bolt and drilled and tapped from the top to bolt on the rear of the breech .the result is a strong and wobble free joint, in the real rifle the joint is part of the breech and the trigger guard screwed on to make it secure, i just reversed the process , the reason being the breech is alloy not steel and i don't have the proper gear to weld alloy's (especially Chinese pot metal).its all un-finished as yet but structurally its done.oh forgive the photo quality i had to use my phone as the camera has gone for a walk.


armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 24/07/2013 1:34 pm
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right ,now i have the stock mounted i can go a little further with the casting for the breech and i have a question to ask Chris ,i have laid the casting on top of the breech and my feeling is that the casting needs to be quite extensively cut down , i must point out that on this gun we are getting the breech casting in the right place, in the S+S design it sits forward of the correct position to match the bolt handle of the vsr, i will be moving it to the correct position and extending the bolt backwards to the correct position as well, if you have the kit and you don't want the positioning corrected then none of this is needed to be done.
the hatched area's are where i plan to cut the casting, this will remove the front part almost completely ,leaving only an arm on the left side but cut all the way back on the right to the stripper clip receiver.


armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 26/07/2013 1:02 pm
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i cut the casting down and i think it really is usable now , i have to stress that for most people this will not need to be done, i'm not using the casting's as they were intended.


also made up the spacer to move the bolt handle back to the correct position.

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 27/07/2013 5:46 pm
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after some deliberation it has been decided that the breech casting is not going to achieve the desired effect and that fabrication of a new breech set is the way forward, we are just trying to use it in a way that it was not intended to be used .so.... i started work on the new breech fabrication , there's not a great deal of detail as yet but it will give the desired effect ,be far more robust and easier to mount as well as having a minimum of filler used.it would be nice if it could be blued rather than painted and i'm not ruling it out but its likely to need some area's of paint.



sorry about the picture quality but i had to use my phone, our camera unfortunately died :( so until we get another the phone will have to do.

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 13/08/2013 7:18 pm
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Looking great Gav..

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Posted : 14/08/2013 8:32 am
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a little more done today, i'll soon be in a position to start on the safety, to that end and it might seem obvious but i'm assuming that the safety catch is safe in the down or backward position and the firing position is up and forward, please correct me if i'm wrong but i have only ever held a de-ac and never played with the safety .




armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 14/08/2013 5:10 pm
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Yes, safety is in the down back position.. Forward and up position to fire...

'Non adepto demens. Adepto etiam'
War does not show who is right, only who is left..

 
Posted : 14/08/2013 8:28 pm
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looking good chap :)
dont blame you mate for changing over, was allways going to be a miss match ;)

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Posted : 14/08/2013 9:34 pm
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Right from the outset Chris wanted a working safety on the correct side of the breech, he also included a genuine no 4 trigger to use if at all possible.so today's mission was to make up a steel vsr trigger that could be welded to the genuine one and to make the safety work.now at the moment the trigger is in the shape of a no 4 trigger and once i'm happy i'll lop of the trigger and weld on the no 4 one .now the safety is a copy of the other side that i made in sheet steel and fitted a return spring onto ,this is acted on by a cam fitted to the safety switch axle end.it all works well, i took the photo's without the woodwork fitted so it could be seen.




of course i had to mill out the trigger assembly a little to allow the safety be fitted , once again i have to apologize for the photo quality.

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 18/08/2013 2:59 pm
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Amazing work there, Gav.

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Posted : 18/08/2013 10:13 pm
cdfw
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Gav could you put a dadio stamp on it some where not that visible.... Just thinking that as a piece of art, it might be worth a fortune in a few years.. Move over Banksy!!!

'Non adepto demens. Adepto etiam'
War does not show who is right, only who is left..

 
Posted : 18/08/2013 10:52 pm
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i have been considering a brand name ,was thinking of "Bespoke Victory" or stamping a serial No with BV as a prefix and then a build number but i never seem to get round to it.

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 19/08/2013 9:07 pm
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got a we bit more done, a bit of filling , painting and experimental bluing .some parts of the breach have to be modeled in epoxy putty and painted so i was just comparing the blue'd steel parts with the painted parts , i don't think it's too bad ,better than all paint.




armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





 
Posted : 25/08/2013 6:28 pm
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