M14 - Look alike for what?

http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/pages/kit-guns.html has the list of what is/can be used

Thanks for that. Explains everything nicely

Interesting reading. Look alike for a BAR with bipod deployed? Hmmmmm...... wouldn't want to do that anyway, because I'd prefer single shot, but most BAR gunners ditched the bipods on their rifles, because they were as much use as a chocolate fireguard and just added more weight to the already 18lb weapon

Basically then, it's a Garand for allied and a G43 for German. Excellent

Cheers,

Bryn

EDIT: I use to own an M1918A2 BAR and portrayed a gunner in the US glider infantry regiments, so it was something I did a fair bit of research on. The carry handle was not evident in WWII photos either, and it has been suggested it was a postwar addition. Having just googled for images, I could find only one among a few dozen with the bipod fitted. It was Ranger walking down a lane in Normandy with the BAR muzzle up and the bipod legs out. Found a still from The Longest Day and one from Band Of Brothers with bipods, so I'm thinking the idea that BAR gunners all used the bipod may well be a bit of a Hollywood-ism. It's all by the by, because I'm not interested in full auto anyway, but it might be worth reviewing the rules on that one.

Yeah that rule has been discussed and it's been considered to allow the BAR an intermediate level of ammo and still be used in an un-deployed role.

We tried something at the St. Lo. game last year.

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The current ammo rules don't really fit for the BAR.

It's not really a support weapon as it has such low capacity mags and can be used when moving. But does work in a two man team... though the 2nd man isn't really a loader.

Hence we've been looking how to simulate this in the game. We'll have two BAR's in the game for this one: Webby's and Pete's.

First off. the BAR is very heavy and can't be carried and fired for long without the firer getting tired. Hence we are going to allow firing from the hip. However when doing so the gunner is limited to short bursts of 3 to 5 rounds. When prone or supported it can fire full auto and put down proper fire.

BAR mags are 190 rounds.The ammo restrictions will work this in. There will be one mag in the gun at the start of a mission and then 2 in the gunner's webbing and 2 in the assistant's webbing. Allowing a maximum of 950 rounds overall.

Note that the rule is completely down to whatever the organiser says.

I'd say that in the above case an M14 couldn't count as a BAR as it's not heavy enough!

I'd agree, Richard, they're a beast to carry

Thanks for that. Explains everything nicely

Basically then, it's a Garand for allied and a G43 for German. Excellent

I think its the AGM 300 shotgun magazine that can be adapted to fit giving a fluh "more of a garand" look. But being a cheap springer mag, the mag spring is not that strong and so only about 12 shots per mag.

There are conversion kits out there for the M14 to make it into one of the above. You may want to consider making something more swapable.

And if you ever want to join the glorious peoples army, its not a bad stand in for the SVT-40

Scroll down a bit here for an image:

http://www.3rdriflediv.org/weapons.html

Not a widely used weapon by the soviet army, only about 3-4 million of them made having one would indicate that you would be in a more technical or professional arm of the red army.

.....so I'm thinking the idea that BAR gunners all used the bipod may well be a bit of a Hollywood-ism. ... but it might be worth reviewing the rules on that one.

A quick word on the reasoning Bryn.

You can't lay down automatic fire in a support role with only 300/600 rounds that is normally allocated to SMG users. Therefore support weapons are always given a higher ammunition allowance to give a degree of realism and purpose for the role of support gunner.

Now, given the support gunner now immediately has an advantage over everyone else with a heap of ammo it would be rubbish if he strutted around Rambo-like firing from the hip. Therefore he is penalised by having to use the weapon prone (resting on a sandbag etc is OK too - firing from someone's shoulder is a bit ).

So, IF you want to call your M14 a BAR and have a support gunner role then prone you must be. If you don't want a support gunner role then just opt for an infantry role and use 300/600 round allowance.

That all said, that looks-like list is very much historical (and talk of bipods and carry handles is just by-the-by) - it's what CiA used to use when we got WW2 going. We and indeed PBI, Gunman, AGS and others don't use it any more and it is mearly there to help groups across the world trying to organise games for new entrants with easy entry.

These days a BAR is a BAR (now you can get them) and an M14 is more sensibly a Garand (or any other wood stocked semi-auto you care to mention). Much less stretching of the imagination now there is decent weaponry around!

(resting on a sandbag etc is OK too - firing from someone's shoulder is a bit )!

Kermit made me do it. Twice.

Proof, if proof were needed!

OK, thats it boys, just carry on digging your holes. Both you feckers are on the list now......

MWHAHAHAHAHAHA

OK, thats it boys, just carry on digging your holes. Both you feckers are on the list now......

MWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Is that your 'I'm gonna use you like a bipod' list?

Is that your 'I'm gonna use you like a bipod' list?

Or, it could be the "I'm gonna use you like a tripod" list. Some people are more "blessed" than others .

How far off topic?

I agree, Mr Pratt. It wasn't the prone bit I was querying, more the historical context of the bipod. I have no wish to be a support gunner

Yes, not so much a historical context, rather more like ensuring unfair advantage isn't taken - a purely practical solution. Slightly academic in this context though - I don't think I have ever seen anyone using an M14 in a support role!