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Russe11
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I'm new to the WW2 gear. I bought a sten gun on impulse as it was reduced to £100.
Now I guess I need the outfit to go with it. The problem I have is that I am mildly allergic to wool and cannot wear it next to my skin.
I figured that full battledress wouldn't work as any mismatch between a woollen tunic (wearable over a shirt) and non wool trousers would be obvious. I have managed to get a Belgian Denison smock, now I need to find a decent approximation of the trousers. Any suggestions?
I'm not after complete historical accuracy, I'm more of an airsofter than a historical re-enactor.

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Topic starter Posted : 10/01/2014 8:58 pm
dadio
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most games will accept denim's , a sort of work wear that was used either over wool's or instead when engaged in menial work such as digging trenches , latrines etc . they were worn to a limited extent in hot weather , far from common , in combat but it did happen and for that reason you could use them instead . [link]http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/shop-re-enactment-british-ww2-clothing-mens-clothing-category,263[/link] this page shows them so you know what to look for .

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m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
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Posted : 10/01/2014 9:30 pm
Russe11
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most games will accept denim's

I take it the dress code can be strict then?

Another idea I had was that presumably troops fighting the Japanese in the jungle wouldn't have worn wool. Would there be any point of looking at that kind of setup?

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Topic starter Posted : 10/01/2014 10:24 pm
MartinR
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I think jungle greens would just look odd.

As above, for Europe denims would do, and for Med and Italy you could wear khaki drill trousers.

The other thing would be to wear a thin base layer under the wool trousers, lightweight running tights are very thin, certainly a lot thinner than the long John's they wore irl.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 8:30 am
Russe11
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I think an extra layer would just be too hot. I have some experience with this as I have a pair of tweed plus 2's for winter cycling and thin cotton pyjama bottoms underneath gets very warm even when there's snow on the ground.
I might look into a North africa outfit at some point.

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Topic starter Posted : 11/01/2014 9:00 am
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I cannot do wool, so wear a layer underneath any WWII trousers I wear. Depends what it is for I suppose. If one is doing a sport then it may get warm but I have never had a problem.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 9:32 am
 Yith
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I have a wool allergy as well.

As long as it's not a wool shirt or undies then I'm fine however.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 9:50 am
dadio
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i know this may sound odd but.... lady's tight's underneath , may sound a bit.... how can i put this in a PC way .... but nobody will see them or know.
didnt ask her permission
i'm wearing her cloths
her silk pant'y hose
walking round in women's underwear

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 11/01/2014 10:52 am
Russe11
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Wow, never realised this was a common problem. Normally I say I'm allergic to wool and people look at me like I'm nuts.
As I'm starting out in this whole WW2 stuff, I will start with Denims as they are cheaper anyway. I may get the wool by next winter when a base layer will keep me warm anyway :)
I seem to have such a huge shopping list atm, it may be the winter by the time I'm finished.

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Topic starter Posted : 11/01/2014 11:33 am
Poacher
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What's on the shopping list? We may be able to help thin it out or prioritise it for you.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 11:49 am
Russe11
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I have a Belgian denison smock on its way. I have modern combat boots which will do for now.
I will need denim trousers, webbing (including sten gun magazine pouches, belt, water bottle), helmet with net, sten sling.
I will then need as a lower priority: Gaiters, small pack, denim blouse.
I have emailed this list to Sabre sales in order to get prices.
I have also emailed Swindon airsoft to get hold of sten magazines as everywhere seems to have sold out atm and I have a gift voucher to spend there.

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Topic starter Posted : 11/01/2014 1:44 pm
MartinR
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I am pretty sure Sabre ceased trading at the end of 2013, certainly that was the plan when I spoke to them in October.

The British kit guides on the website give you a good idea, but a basic minimum set of webbing would be belt, universal pouches, cross straps and usually a water bottle plus carrier although you could probably do without the water bottle. If you get Mark III pouches they are plenty big enough for Sten magazines, don't bother with fancy bandoleers.

I would strongly recommend a bag to carry stuff a round in - gas mask bag, small pack or whatever. The lightweight gas mask bags are easily available, cheap and surprisingly capacious.

I would also strongly recommend a pair of anklets, even with modern boots underneath they are an iconic part of the British 'look'. Not sure what the CSM would say about wandering about with your trousers flapping around your ankles.

Helmets are expensive, the cheap plastic ones look fine with a net and some scrim on them until you can save up for a metal one.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 2:35 pm
dadio
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water bottle is something essential and needs to be a good one , many have chipped enamel inside and rust as a result , best to pay a little extra and ask it to be checked before it's sent.any webbing carrier for the water bottle is likely to have shrunk so soak it in water and stretch it out by putting the water bottle in as well as some packing so when it dries it is a nice loose fit and the bottle easily removed . if you get a chipped bottle then insert a plastic sandwich bag , roll over the top and secure with an elastic band and it can be corked as normal .it's not worth getting gater's with modern boots because most modern boots have a thick padded ankle that the gater's wont go over .dms boot's can be a cheep option and easier to get than ammo boots that are not parade boots , parade ammo boot's have a really thick inflexible sole and the leather is a lot stiffer all over so much so that they are unusable for combat , the reproduction's are quite variable in quality and so are either a hunt down a good original pair or spend a load on repro's , most use dms at least to begin with .

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 11/01/2014 3:05 pm
Russe11
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Sabre sales web site indicates that they are in the process of moving to a new location. Maybe they were thinking they would have to close down but found a new location?

I have Soldier 95 issue combat boots, no padding at the ankle. They look superficially the same as the ammo boots apart from the seams and soles.

I like the look of the sten ammo pouches on the SOF web site, like the standard pair of ammo pouches but with separators for 3 mags each, it will make it easier to track which mags are empty as I can do as I always do and work from left to right.

I had been wondering how similar in size/shape the helmets are to a Mk6 Kevlar or similar, that way I might get a dual use out of it and can choose whichever is cheapest.

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Topic starter Posted : 11/01/2014 4:13 pm
Moss
 Moss
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You're going to want MK3 universal pouches, as these will fit sten mags as well as everything else. Don't bother with the SOF sten pouches. Both visually and structurally the MK 2 and MK 6 helmets are nothing alike, as Martin says you can pick up cheap plastic MK 2 replicas on eBay for about £12. Just search "British ww2 helmet" and scroll through.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 7:40 pm
Poacher
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I agree, the helmets look nothing much alike.
I also agree the MkIII pouches are a better bet than the ones with the sections, no-one has been able to show they were ever issued.
Good luck with getting a reply to an e-mail to Sabre Sales, they are very old school. Better to speak in person or by phone.

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Posted : 11/01/2014 8:22 pm
Russe11
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You're going to want MK3 universal pouches, as these will fit sten mags as well as everything else. Don't bother with the SOF sten pouches. Both visually and structurally the MK 2 and MK 6 helmets are nothing alike, as Martin says you can pick up cheap plastic MK 2 replicas on eBay for about £12. Just search "British ww2 helmet" and scroll through.


look rather similar to me. If you take off the camo cover on the MK 6 and add netting to the Mk2 then add some scrim to both, I bet you would only know which is which by the colour of the chin strap. The Mk6 is slightly bulkier but that wouldn't be too obvious.
It would definitely be possible to pass a Mk2 off as a Mk6 if you put some craft foam under a dpm helmet cover :D

I cannot find a plastic version of any airbourne helmet anywhere, but I may be able to justify a steel one on the basis that I can make it look like a MK6 for my other airsoft needs :) I can always make do with a beret for a bit.

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Topic starter Posted : 11/01/2014 9:04 pm
Moss
 Moss
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That's a MK 2 para helmet. This is the MK 2 we were referring to http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/mk2-tommy- ... duct,11903 (it can all get a bit confusing). I have a MK 6 and an RAC helmet (same shape as para helmet, different chinstrap and liner) and if you look at them from the front they are nothing alike. The MK 6 is significantly wider and rounder. If you go for look-a-like kit, you'll end up with an impression that doesn't really look good, that you can't sell on when you get round to getting the proper stuff.

To start off with I'd recommend getting:
MK 2 helmet (plastic or metal) £10-£50
37 patt Battle dress (denim or wool) £100-£180 for jacket and trousers (wool being the most expensive).
Web anklets £10
37 patt webbing consisting of:
Belt
Cross straps
2x MK3 uni pouches
Waterbottle and holder
Small pack to carry your lunch/airsofting stuff in
All that shouldn't cost you any more than £30

This will set you up for most games where there's a Brit contingent.
It might seem like a lot but you can get some brilliant bargains if you trawl eBay or regularly check the forum's sale section.

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Posted : 12/01/2014 6:24 am
Poacher
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Why would he want an infantry style MkII if he is doing Brit Airborne?

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Posted : 12/01/2014 7:18 am
Moss
 Moss
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I was just going with the whole "start as basic infantry, then build on it for airbourne" approach. It's his impression at the end of the day, I was only making a suggestion.

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Posted : 12/01/2014 7:59 am
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