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17th SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Götz von Berlichgen"

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biguk
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Well ive decided on my unit to protray. The 17th SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Götz von Berlichgen". I chose this because of there links to Normandy 1944, and links with the 506th PIR. I use them as my 101st loadout. I believe they fought against each other in and around carentan.

I was wondering if anyone has any images of this division during the summer of 1944.

Thanks in advance.


 
Posted : 12/09/2008 10:05 am
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17th in Normandy newsreel http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gVVQk3D0DK0 8)


 
Posted : 12/09/2008 8:33 pm
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Anyone else? im particularly interested in creating a Normandy 44' look. Does anyone have a picture of a typical grenadier in normandy?

Also what type of camo was used.


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 10:43 am
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Dot 44, oak, Plain tree. The beautiful thing about waffen is the range of camo used. I tend to use either Dot44 or my oak. you can mix and match field grey with dot 44 and its thew tits. Blurred edge is also a nice look. The thing about Waffen camo was the dyes used ran when it got wet and produce very indistinct shapes. P



 
Posted : 14/09/2008 4:22 pm
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I like the blurred stuff.....Well i've got a few books coming but unfortunatly i think one just has black and white pics....

i like the tan and water camo....I dunno. Im out of my comfort zone with german kit. So i think research and alot of learning is needed.


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 7:03 pm
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Anyone else? im particularly interested in creating a Normandy 44' look. Does anyone have a picture of a typical grenadier in normandy?

Also what type of camo was used.

why not buy some books ?

Panzers in Normandy by Eric Le Fevre (After the battle Publishing) has a great deal of photos from the period and a lot of info regarding the units that fought there .


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 7:19 pm
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Anyone else? im particularly interested in creating a Normandy 44' look. Does anyone have a picture of a typical grenadier in normandy?

Also what type of camo was used.

why not buy some books ?

Panzers in Normandy by Eric Le Fevre (After the battle Publishing) has a great deal of photos from the period and a lot of info regarding the units that fought there .

I've bought 3...but only 1 has arrived at the mo...I've got

Waffen-SS Uniforms in Colour Photographs
Men-at-Arms 415: The Waffen-SS (3): 11. to 23. Divisions
and an older book called "Panzer Grenadier Division, Grossdeutschland" from ebay

This picture has always fascinated me

Not sure what he is wearing though apart from its cold.


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 7:39 pm
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If you want to know the full story behind that sequence of photographs, where & when it was taken etc then you want Battle of the Bulge Then & Now by John Paul Paulud . :D


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 8:05 pm
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They are a Heer Division :)

You mentioned a Waffen SS Division as your impression.


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 8:36 pm
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Its panzer grenadiers...that im interested in...i just assumed that all the grenadier divisions were part of the SS. I initially looked at the GrossDeutschland, but then quickly realised that they fought mainly in the eastern front. So moved onto the 17th.

Thats why i mentioned the splinter camo in the PM as the front illustration of that book shows a grenadier wearing it.


 
Posted : 14/09/2008 10:47 pm
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Either had panzer grenadiers, it just means armoured infantry.

Most german infantry we're called grenadiers halfway through out the war as a morale boost as in germany the term 'grenadier' has always implied an eliteness.

The GD were a heer division with an elite status akin to the UKs Guards Armoured Div.

Other renowned Heer units were 116 panzer, panzer lehr (panzer training school) and the Brandenburg Division.

I wouldn't get too hung up on camo, get the field grey first, you really need that more than anything.

The guy in the pic is part of a group of men that have a *lot* of captured US kit on in the series of pics. One of them is wearing a US overcoat, caused a lot of em to get shot as 'spies' at the bulge as they stole US winter kit as their own was a bit lacking at times.

That photo is taken from a famous propaganda series where a group of ss guys 'pretend' to attacka US column that had already been annihilated hours before.





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Posted : 13/11/2008 12:55 pm
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