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Hänschen klein
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The issue I have, having been burned twice a good few years ago, is to do with numbers. On those occasions the fee was paid but the event was cancelled in one case due to not enough people signing up (no refund given) and a refund refused in the other case when it was requested due to it becoming clear beforehand that not enough people would be involved.

TLDR: if I see not enough people signed up for an event I'm not going to hand over money simply on a hope and a prayer. It would therefore make more sense for people to be added to a list as "intending" to attend, with a guarantee of a refund if an event falls flat on its face due to low numbers (non-bookings).

Ideally a list of intention with the fee paid at the door in cash.

That's my 2 cents worth. :)

Unfortunately most of your observations won`t work. Organisers on here apart from one, are a non profit making event. We do it because we love it. Putting on an event takes months of planning site visits prop making etc. Sometimes we even make a loss putting on an event.

Events on this forum get cancelled because people Don`t commit to book on! Its Chicken and Egg. If everyone doesn`t book No Game.
We have to pay for the site in advance or by a set date and too many people are Yes I am coming and don`t so collecting money at the gate is a non starter.
I answered you question about refunds on another thread but simply we are a close knit community with honour and if we had to cancel you would receive your money back. I don`t know which sites or events you have bee dealing with in the past but sound a bunch of Dick Turpins :x
Hope this answers you fears






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cjw957
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" Sometimes we even make a loss putting on an event. "

wish it was sometimes , its always with me loool :)





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Siggi
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The issue I have, having been burned twice a good few years ago, is to do with numbers. On those occasions the fee was paid but the event was cancelled in one case due to not enough people signing up (no refund given) and a refund refused in the other case when it was requested due to it becoming clear beforehand that not enough people would be involved.

TLDR: if I see not enough people signed up for an event I'm not going to hand over money simply on a hope and a prayer. It would therefore make more sense for people to be added to a list as "intending" to attend, with a guarantee of a refund if an event falls flat on its face due to low numbers (non-bookings).

Ideally a list of intention with the fee paid at the door in cash.

That's my 2 cents worth. :)

Unfortunately most of your observations won`t work. Organisers on here apart from one, are a non profit making event. We do it because we love it. Putting on an event takes months of planning site visits prop making etc. Sometimes we even make a loss putting on an event.

Events on this forum get cancelled because people Don`t commit to book on! Its Chicken and Egg. If everyone doesn`t book No Game.
We have to pay for the site in advance or by a set date and too many people are Yes I am coming and don`t so collecting money at the gate is a non starter.
I answered you question about refunds on another thread but simply we are a close knit community with honour and if we had to cancel you would receive your money back. I don`t know which sites or events you have bee dealing with in the past but sound a bunch of Dick Turpins :x
Hope this answers you fears

Yes, thank you for that clarification. I don't think the guys of old were "turpins", it was more a case of money given was handed on and then the deal folded because there were not enough people onboard to provide a viable battle. That was my take on it anyway, semi-informed by other bookees.

I'll head over to the Eversley thread and ask further questions in there. :)


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Chomley-Warner
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Absolutely, organisers find out the hard way - the only way to reasonably guaranteeing that players actually bother to get out of bed is to relive them of their money up front. Harsh but true. Most organisers are also renting a site - a big financial commitment and you must be able to cover yourself against financial loss, should those that say they are attending, don't.

The thing is, this is a community - some players put a huge amount of time into putting on games and there is zero incentive to do this is if you find yourself a few hundred quid out of pocket. Despite this, EVERY organiser does end up out of pocket one way of another, which, in true community spirit, you put it down as part of your investment in the WW2 airsoft community.

And in ten years of WW2 airsoft games with a myriad of different organisers, not one has resulted in financial loss to players as the result of a cancelled game. That's the sort of community you are joining.


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 Jay7
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" Sometimes we even make a loss putting on an event. "

wish it was sometimes , its always with me loool :)

Haribo do alright out of you though :lol:





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MartinR
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I've been doing this a fair few years now, and although the odd game does get cancelled (always a bit disappointing), I've always had a full refund of any deposit paid.

As noted above, we do want players to turn up on the day, and although some organisers do manage get walk ons (typically Josh/Gunman games, and they tend to be his regulars anyway), the most effective way to get commitment is to ask for deposits. But if the game folds, you give them back.

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Martin

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Hey Chommers, this is my random post to keep up my login curent :D

Interesting reading how time has moved on so quickly, 10 years since "A clash of Eagles" , where did it go ?

Hope all is well with the Alte Kameraden still lurking on here ,

Old un


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Chomley-Warner
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LOL. Dunno where the time went but I'm now closer to my grave than my birth!


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Steiner
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Hey Chommers, this is my random post to keep up my login curent :D

Interesting reading how time has moved on so quickly, 10 years since "A clash of Eagles" , where did it go ?

Hope all is well with the Alte Kameraden still lurking on here ,

Old un

Guy, you old fool - nice to hear from you! :D I'm still here, recovering from illness and still fighting! :good:


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Joseph Porta
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Hello to all.

On the topic

I've never know anyone in the ww2 forum not to give refunds if an event has been canned.

The community here is the best I've seen in 12 years that I've been airsofting.

I've had to can a few events, usually due to site issues and them pulling out. Also numbers can get an event cancelled.

Also apart from just one game, every other one made a loss.
(Usually due to spending far too much on pyros) but what fun

Also hello guy, Andy , chommers and all my other Ww2 friends.

I do plan on getting more in once my other stuff stabilises again

Take care everyone

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Joseph Porta to "strawberrys and cream", in the sven hassel book ,ogpu prison


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