Two stage guns.. a solution.

In my view.....

Feasable - Yes (but complicated/expensive to do correctly)
Solution - No (people would forget to switch it over for close range work)
Liked as an idea? - Nope, it sucks teh donkeys wedding tackle. Airsoft guns are finicky and tempremental at the best of times. Don't ever complicate things more than they already are!

As to your summation of Hop-up drop off, then you are more wrong than you think. 500fps requires very little Hop to flatten the trajectory compared to the amount of hop required at 328/350FPS

Feasable - probably, but it'll be expensive and prone to breakages. I doubt you'd get any manufacturer to do it, there wouldn't be the demand (most bolt action airsofters only chase the 500 fps route).
Solution - yes, if the rifle defaulted to lower power and there was no way to override that.
Like - yes, it would encourage me to purchase a WW2 bolt/semi auto rifle.

Jay read the post.

The point is that unless you were actively holding the high power button and racking it up it drops to lower as default.

Equally then the only real issue other than complication (and i cant see it being any more complicated than gas blowback or adjustable tank fed MG42s ) of mechanism disappears.

How is two hooks in the cylinder overly complicates, effectively its only like having a half cock on a real rifle.

A pipe dream - yes.
Practical solution - no.

The whole point about allowing higher powered guns is that it is conditional on safety rules. Any gun that is high power used at close distance is lunacy, against all site rules and will lead to injury sooner or later.

Dead duck - sorry!.

Dave

Thats makes no sense at all.

What im proposing is what we already have... 500fps rifles that when not held ina certain way default to being lower power.

How on earth is it any different from carrying two weapons, the two are merely combined....

Using your logic the current situation is bound to lead to disaster, you're *seriously* telling me nobody engages under MED at games including ours as it is?

Surely this makes things safer than they currently are using your argument?

OK, speaking with my engineering head on. It is possible - In theory. However, in practice there is a hell of a lot more to it than just "pressing a button". Well over a decade and a half of messing around with these things (right back to the days of the HPA/CO2 powered JAC M16's and Asahi M249's) has taught me one thing. Keep It Simple Stupid!

I've no argument at all that this wouldn't be simple, but he did say it was a pipe dream.

DaveThats makes no sense at all.

No, the point is you are using a 500fps weapon at less than MED. Flipping a switch doesn't make it a non-500fps weapon, it is what it is.

Plus, I wouldn't trust myself to remember to flip a switch and on that principle I wouldn't trust anyone else. A mistake waiting to happen.
The mistake with regular 500fps rifles is that you misjudge the MED. With your rifle you can misjudge distance AND forget to switch. No idea what the odds are but it is definitely a compounded and greater error.
Pulling a pistol out is safer. Naffer maybe but safety overrides this. One of the thousand and one compromises and the safety of shooting projectiles at each other.

Exactly

But at some point someone said 'fully automatic realistic pellet gun.... nah mate far too complicated' or 'blow back? no who'd want that'

As far as complicated goes i dont see Systemas cash tills suffering from a lack of folk wanting over engineered shooters

DaveThats makes no sense at all.

No, the point is you are using a 500fps weapon at less than MED. Flipping a switch doesn't make it a non-500fps weapon, it is what it is.

Plus, I wouldn't trust myself to remember to flip a switch and on that principle I wouldn't trust anyone else. A mistake waiting to happen.
The mistake with regular 500fps rifles is that you misjudge the MED. With your rifle you can misjudge distance AND forget to switch. No idea what the odds are but it is definitely a compounded and greater error.
Pulling a pistol out is safer. Naffer maybe but safety overrides this. One of the thousand and one compromises and the safety of shooting projectiles at each other.

Once again s[spectacularly failing to read the initial post.

Its a 328 that with effort can be made higher, the point is its the conciousness effort is required to ramp up the power not to put it down.

You'd have to keep the button depressed to allow it the full movement.

Now remembering to push in a button and hold it there to take power shots is less effort and safer than having to pull out a pistol if you *think* you're close.

its safer by default, you have to consciously make it more dangerous.

How can you have an issue with that?

Gadge is proposing that you physically have to hold something to get 500fps, so that if you forget you fire at 350 whether you're above or below the MED. This system would make things safer:

Lets say there's a 50% chance of misjudging the MED and a 50% chance of forgetting not to press the 'widgit' below the MED.

On a 500fps rifle thats a 50% chance of shooting someone below the MED at 500fps
With the proposed system that drops to 25% (50% and 50%)

Safer in my view!

Christ Jon, thats a relief.

I thought it was the only person who 'got it'

I thought it was a pretty simple concept myself...

cheers mate, i was worried i'd written something that read contrary to what i meant

Yeah, I must admit I'd missed that intricacy myself. It does sound safer to me as well.

the default setting on both types would be the lower so if surprised you can immediately respond but to use the higher settig you have to hold in a button on the forestock.. releasing the button drops the setting to the lower.

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I thought it was pretty clear but i'll see it as a learning curve to lay out the premise in a clearer fashion next time.

implimentation would be an issue - even if your idea was to progress forward.

Yes, I follow your analysis Jon, it should be safer.
It would take some getting use to from an opponent's POV. Your enemy has been whacking the trees around you at 60m and now you are confronted by him at 10m. Foook!

I thought it was pretty clear but i'll see it as a learning curve to lay out the premise in a clearer fashion next time.

I can't make head nor tail of your AI magazine articles either!

I see an issue... if you let go of the button when it's set at 500fps, you might just end up firing the bb at 150fps immediately... (500-350=150)

Feel free to write them then Dave, I'm snowed under with Raider work right now...

And Yith, it is an issue but its about shooting properly, marksmanship principle number 4,

"The shot must be released and followed through without disturbing the position"

shot must be followed though cleanly, you dont just pull the trigger and let go.