I take your point on that but you know reporters and the press they have the power to lie and get away with it we see it all the time.
The first you will know about it is when the web site is shown on TV or listed in a news paper.
A friend just emailed me this and I didn't know where better to put it without starting a thread.
Marine Corps General Reinwald was interviewed on the radio the other day and you'll love his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this!!!! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended.
You gotta love the Marines!
Free speech is expensive these days!
Sure, a non-story though!
It would be even worse if they 'infiltrated' a secret part of the forum where shady deals appeared to be going on 
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There is nothing to hide so no point hiding it. Stick to the law and we are sweet. 
(edit - comment refers to Oddball's post before it was edited)
This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.
I got sent that a while ago, unfortunately it turned out to be false: http://www.snopes.com/military/reinwald.asp
Which is a shame as I'd love to see someone say it to some of the hacks that are around these days. 
Maybe we could publish a list of all eligable members on here, with sites goto so we can see at a glace who would be unable to purchase an airsoft gun on the forums.
For example:
Matt Webb - 24 - First and Only Matlock.
Maybe we could publish a list of all eligable members on here, with sites goto so we can see at a glace who would be unable to purchase an airsoft gun on the forums.
For example:
Matt Webb - 24 - First and Only Matlock.
a nice idea , although as an open forum it's rather meaningless.
Guy 121 - Goldilocks Airsoft site .......
Needs to be a "robust" scheme under the terms agreed with HMG .
I copied this from a post on ASC UK;
Imitation firearms which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm
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"Take that you rotton helping of strawberry flan!"
Joseph Porta to "strawberrys and cream", in the sven hassel book ,ogpu prison
And of course completely illegal.
It's up to individuals to decide if they wish to break the law of the land but discussion of how to do it on a public forum is not a good idea in personal terms, nor of help to the work Comrades in Arms is doing in the background nor helping the airsofting community in general.
What we have been offered is an olive branch by the Home Office to come up with a workable, robust defence for airsofters to carry on reasonably unimpeded. It must be emphasised that this defence can be removed by the Home Secretary at the stroke of a pen, without recourse to Parliament. Public discussion of ways round the intention of the Act will not be entertained for these reasons.
I copied this from a post on ASC UK;
Imitation firearms which are to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm
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And you aren't condoning spraying IFs of course, are you?
What will happen is that market stalls will be emptied of black pistols and rifles so no more sales to chavs, which is good. But the stalls will be filled with clear plastic springers (check out on-line plinkers shops to see what I mean) and it's very unlikely they will stay transparent. But at least they will be over 18 as IFs can't be sold to under 18s IIRC.
And you aren't condoning spraying IFs of course, are you?
If you have a 'specific defence' then there's not an issue with spraying them black is there? 
As I understand it this would be classified as manufacturing as much as using the airsoft mechanism to build a replica K98 therefore you are either have a 'specific defence' or you're breaking the law. Unfortunately I suspect that much of the new legislation, (as with so much British law), will only come into focus after it's been tested through the courts.
True enough, but if you have a specific defence then you can buy an RIF anyway so nothing gained. As you say, much to be tested in law but they ain't testing on me!
It's my hunch that the primary interest will come from Trading Standards who will sort out the rogue traders and test pukka retailer's procedures. Along with this will be a clampdown by Customs making importing (in the very short term) so tricky it's not worth the hassle.
I very much doubt individuals will be persecuted by the Police as operational procedure but should crimes be brought to their notice or as part of another enquiry I guess you can expect the worst.
None of which is to say breaking any laws is condoned but the Police / HMG / HMRC / Courts are not stupid and are busy enough as it is, so I hope that a pragmatic and sensible approach turns out to be the reality.
If the guns were bright orange, and then resprayed to black, whats to say that plinker owners couldn't do the same, and in that case, we're in the same boat as now "causing problems" in the government's eyes. .... to which theyre just gonna say, well its obviously not working is it, outlaw any RIFs, transparent or imitation.
Yup, it wouldnt take much for them to remove the defence by regulation. Which is why we all have to stay above board on this...
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Well what is a RIF if people can escape from prison with bits of wood and soap why not a banana in a bag. http://nwitimes.com/dillinger/monday1.html
There was a local story here in Liverpool that a dead baby had been found in the street this went on for a few days until it was announced that is was a rotten old chicken carcass.
Banana robber story here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 17,00.html
Not long ago a Scottish man was shot dead by police for having a table leg in a bag the other people in the pub had informed the police he was Irish and had a shotgun. Aint the police great they will belive a bunch of drunks in a pub and shoot first then look in the bag later.
I think we all suspect that airsofts will be banned eventually and this list is to help with it. It was said from the word go there was to be no dispensation for anything then they realised they had no way of doing it without a way of getting people to tell them they had them in the first place.
Hence softly softly catchy monkey.
Eventually the police will shoot and kill someone with an airsoft gun it is only a matter of time, then when that happens they will all go.
No compensation payments will be given next time around.
However the government may be nice and honest people that believe in our rights to shoot at each other with replica guns what do you think?
I may post this as a poll question in off topic do you trust the list or is it just a list for future confiscation of your kit?
Reporters also may be nice to us and not make a story about how we sell guns to each other over internet forums, we all pretty much trust each other, people I would sell one to now I don't think I would turn down next month.
When you know a guy on here already has 6 AEG's but can not regularly get to games for various reasons job or family demands are you going to turn down a sale?
Free speech is expensive these days!
Its a sort of pointless question really - we are where we are because we live in a democracy and that is what has been decided. The same points have come time and time again but it's good to hear the banana one again!
It don't think anyone finds the new legislation either effective or logical. But it's all way, way too late - you should have been in discussion with your MP two years or more ago.
As it is you have to obey the law or suffer the consequences. You might want to make a public stand and risk your cash, job, house, marriage - I don't.
The industry is trying to organise a workable solution - it will take time, the HO has been very late in sorting this even after a six month delay.
You ask whether someone will break the law to make a sale? Do people drive over 70 mph on the motorway? Do people shoplift? Do people inject heroin? Do people sell alcohol to minors? Doesn't make the laws wrong or unusable just because people break the rules!
Actually I did say all this 2 years ago to my MP and many more MP's and political parties.
Some times it's worth saying the obvious over again in case it gets forgotten.
I also wrote to them 2 years ago and said they should bring in a form of National Service for 16 year olds during their Summer holidays, this week the Conservatives who I sent this to have made it one of their policies.
Free speech is expensive these days!
I'll try and avoid a political debate for the simple fact that i'll go off on one. They are ALL money-grabbing, lying, two-faced, self-serving bastards - Rant over, i'll leave it at that.
Back on topic...
The irony of the VCR is that a "realistic imitation firearm" is defined as anything that looks like a real firearm to the untrained eye. Two pieces of tubing welded together and shoved out from underneath a towel would be enough to qualify if the shop assitant on the wrong end of it "thought it looked like a shotgun". A table leg in a bag "looked like a firearm" to certain police officers who decided to give the bloke carrying the bag a dose of lead poisoning.
We know its a half-arsed bit of legislation, and they know that its a half-arsed piece of legislation. But as usual, New Labour have to be "seen to be doing something"
Now, heres the rub. Could HMG ban the ownership of Replicas in the long run? Yes. But theres a problem. Look at it from their point of view. When real pistols are banned, then replica pistols are banned yet crime with these items still increases, then the average bloke on the street might just realise that the government has been completely ineffective at dealing with the "problem". And that will cost them votes. Make no mistake, governments like scapegoats. It gives them something to blame when it all goes shit-shaped. When there are no scapegoats left, who gets the blame? Yup, its those sitting in the Houses of Parliament....
When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........
Actually I did say all this 2 years ago to my MP and many more MP's and political parties...
Nice one (I didn't 
)! Next logical step then - Oddball for PM although you will have to settle for MP for a while, can't be that difficult to get enough voters, given the election turnouts?
aye I registered my views with my mp a while ago as well as a few others but its all for naught as he did argue against it but the majority were for so no bloody use really
I'll try and avoid a political debate for the simple fact that I'll go off on one. They are ALL money-grabbing, lying, two-faced, self-serving bastards - Rant over, I'll leave it at that.
Back on topic...
The irony of the VCR is that a "realistic imitation firearm" is defined as anything that looks like a real firearm to the untrained eye. Two pieces of tubing welded together and shoved out from underneath a towel would be enough to qualify if the shop assitant on the wrong end of it "thought it looked like a shotgun". A table leg in a bag "looked like a firearm" to certain police officers who decided to give the bloke carrying the bag a dose of lead poisoning.
We know its a half-arsed bit of legislation, and they know that its a half-arsed piece of legislation. But as usual, New Labour have to be "seen to be doing something"
Now, heres the rub. Could HMG ban the ownership of Replicas in the long run? Yes. But theres a problem. Look at it from their point of view. When real pistols are banned, then replica pistols are banned yet crime with these items still increases, then the average bloke on the street might just realise that the government has been completely ineffective at dealing with the "problem". And that will cost them votes. Make no mistake, governments like scapegoats. It gives them something to blame when it all goes shit-shaped. When there are no scapegoats left, who gets the blame? Yup, its those sitting in the Houses of Parliament....
hear! hear! I couldn't have put it better myself, the only thing is that after the recent shooting of the 11 year old there were people going on about how the government should ban handguns 
unfortunately a large section of the population have the political awareness of a stunned mullet, you've heard the expression that starts 'You can fool some of the people all of the time.....' well they're the people 