Discussion thread. Kit, scenario, general chat.

This is not yet 100% confirmed, discussions are going on. It cannot stand that the same guys who run a lot of their own games can be allowed to come into this one and take it over with the rules THEY want. Seg set up this game off the back of the big FB debate, concerning revitalising the WW2 scene by running games that do away with these nonsensical restrictions. Regular milsims allow any numbers of players to run semi-auto AEGs at 450fps, trigger-spamming allowed, never mind ban 500fps sniper bolts. I've not been to one single other milsim or skirmish where I wasn't allowed to run my AEG semi-auto scoped rifle at 500fps, so long as I observed the in-flight rule (no trigger spamming).

There are a lot of players who are coming with bolt-action rifles, totally unaware this rule take-over is going on. We are grown men, not children, and if even the namby-pamby health & safety govt have deemed 500fps semis acceptable for airsoft combat I can see no reason why any of us WW2 milsimmers should accept less. This was supposed to be OUR game guys, not yet another toothless sham dictated to by the same old guard who yet again want it all their way.

If you want this game run to regular milsim rules please PM Seg and make your feelings known, he's already changed his mind twice and I'm pretty sure what's going on behind the scenes to cause it. Stand up and be counted...WW2 milsims played by MEN.

To those who are scared of 500fps rifles...that's fine. Don't play. You have no shortage of your own games run to your rules, don't be so greedy and selfish and ruin ours. Thank you.

Did you even read the advertised rules for this game ?
You speak of a lack of bravery to not want 500 for sniper rifles , what's easier/braver to
A, face an AEG with an equal powered bolt action rifle
B, stand out of range and plink away .
Maybe before you shoot off your mouth you aught to improve your fieldcraft and rifle skills , maybe then you would be able to fight and even relish an unequal battle without whinging about it , it's way more satisfying to beat the odds than win by advantage , more skillful even , maybe you should try it but I doubt you will . I'm sorry this has so degenerated but Langnasen has been quite abusive I'm PM's to me as well .

Dadio,

It has become very apparent to us that the rules limit the rifles to 370fps, the same as the sube machine gun. Factually the sub machine gun with is sub caliber cartridge would have to get close to the target in reality to be effective, whereas the rifle would dominate at range with the high powered cartridge. Why is the fact not being applied to the game rules? Why are the rules making a mockery of rifles? Making the 9-10 round bolt action rifle the same power and effectively same range as the 30-50 magazine fed fully automatic submachine gun? You may as well say the sub machine gun should use a 10 round magazines and just balance the entire field. Even the machine guns should have the same power and ammo limits, no?

Your logic makes no sense...

Dadio, tell it to the hand, you have zero credibility with me. Milsims and skirmishes across the country allow 450fps spammable semis and 500fps bolts (with and without scopes). There is a small handful of you who think the WW2 scene is your personal fiefdom and all games, yours or others, will be forced to follow your childish rules.

Enough. If Seg doesn't stand up to you there will be eight refunds due. I'm also hearing noises that the game will be sabbed, and if that's what it takes to get you off our backs I can't say I'm unsympathetic to the notion. This is milsimming, not children playing in their garden with nerf guns. Grow a pair or leave our game alone.

And I have not been "abusive" to you in PMs. I've certainly expressed myself though, as is due to somebody who thinks he has a right, along with his handful of pals, to bully the organizer of this game into following the rubbish rules you run in YOUR games. THIS is NOT YOUR game!

Did you even read the advertised rules for this game ?
You speak of a lack of bravery to not want 500 for sniper rifles , what's easier/braver to
A, face an AEG with an equal powered bolt action rifle
B, stand out of range and plink away .
Maybe before you shoot off your mouth you aught to improve your fieldcraft and rifle skills , maybe then you would be able to fight and even relish an unequal battle without whinging about it , it's way more satisfying to beat the odds than win by advantage , more skillful even , maybe you should try it but I doubt you will . I'm sorry this has so degenerated but Langnasen has been quite abusive I'm PM's to me as well .

LOL.

That's completely ignorant of the fact that rifles did and should have a significant advantage at range. You are mitigating that, to the detriment of the experience of other players. Why? Surely it would spruce up the game dynamic? Once a man with an automatic weapon is within close range, its game over....as it generally was. Outside of close range, rifles are king.

My last word , I did not write the advertised rules but those rules are what we all singed up for when we paid our money and that includes you , if you want to write the rules then set up and run a game yourself , don't blame me for the advertised rules of the game , I'm simply happy that they have not been changed one week before the game , that would be truly unfair .

Did you even read the advertised rules for this game ?
You speak of a lack of bravery to not want 500 for sniper rifles , what's easier/braver to
A, face an AEG with an equal powered bolt action rifle
B, stand out of range and plink away .
Maybe before you shoot off your mouth you aught to improve your fieldcraft and rifle skills , maybe then you would be able to fight and even relish an unequal battle without whinging about it , it's way more satisfying to beat the odds than win by advantage , more skillful even , maybe you should try it but I doubt you will . I'm sorry this has so degenerated but Langnasen has been quite abusive I'm PM's to me as well .

LOL.

That's completely ignorant of the fact that rifles did and should have a significant advantage at range. You are mitigating that, to the detriment of the experience of other players. Why? Surely it would spruce up the game dynamic? Once a man with an automatic weapon is within close range, its game over....as it generally was. Outside of close range, rifles are king.

Exactly! There's the field-craft and skill. The dynamic, right there. The man with the SMG has to GET IN, where his weapon then dominates. The man with the rifle has to hold him off. Checks and balances, PER REALITY. Otherwise what is it, nothing but skirmish BB pong, with the rifles being nothing but cannon-fodder for the guys with automatics.

That's not a milsim, it's a travesty.

My last word , I did not write the advertised rules but those rules are what we all singed up for when we paid our money and that includes you , if you want to write the rules then set up and run a game yourself , don't blame me for the advertised rules of the game , I'm simply happy that they have not been changed one week before the game , that would be truly unfair .

The rules were VAGUE. Seg then PM'd me that 500fps was ok if with a scope. The assumption had always been that normal milsim rules would apply to non-scoped bolts too. Then you got in there, didn't you mate, and he changed his mind. Funny that, I wonder what you said to him.

Nobody but you and your coterie of entitlement buddies want your nerfed rules mate. Simple solution...you stick to the games you run and leave ours alone, we paid to play a milsim.

My last word , I did not write the advertised rules but those rules are what we all singed up for when we paid our money and that includes you , if you want to write the rules then set up and run a game yourself , don't blame me for the advertised rules of the game , I'm simply happy that they have not been changed one week before the game , that would be truly unfair .

My last word , I did not write the advertised rules but those rules are what we all singed up for when we paid our money and that includes you , if you want to write the rules then set up and run a game yourself , don't blame me for the advertised rules of the game , I'm simply happy that they have not been changed one week before the game , that would be truly unfair .

Those rules weren't even there from the start, I never saw them before tonight. And they were about as vague as could be. Clarification was sought and given. Then, suddenly, huge change of mind. After you'd whinged about snipers and 'high power' rifles. Strange coincidence, huh? WHO's writing the rules then?

Seg needs to stand his ground against the handful of you pulling this crap. I'll say it again...stick to your own games, leave ours alone. It's not like you don't have plenty of them. How many will be enough for you? Shameless GREED.

Ooh, ooh, look, another game! And look how many players are booked! Time for me/us to jump on board! But...hang on...what's this, proper milsim rules? Tch, can't be having that...let me (us) just have a 'word' with Seg...

Rules posted August 22nd,the date is on the rules post , I have no knowledge of what was discussed elsewhere only what's on this forum , I'm sorry if you have been misled but it's not by me , I have changed nothing , I just want to go to the advertised game , from my perspective it's you who are trying to get the rules changed .please calm down there is no need for this .

Rules posted August 22nd,the date is on the rules post , I have no knowledge of what was discussed elsewhere only what's on this forum , I'm sorry if you have been misled but it's not by me , I have changed nothing , I just want to go to the advertised game , from my perspective it's you who are trying to get the rules changed .please calm down there is no need for this .

If you seriously think anyone is going to believe Seg's last change of mind had nothing to do with you I have a bridge I can sell you. All happened right after your post whining about high-powered rifles and snipers.

There are a very large number of people I know directly who have been looking forward to this MILSIM for months. Some of whom have been brought in on the promise of a reviving scene and have spent a great deal of money on kit. To find this, with you and your handful of pals at the last minute laying in with the PMs and getting it nerfed.

We and everyone else outside of your gang paid for a MILSIM, not an SMG skirmish fest with a handful of mugs with bolts being used as cannon-fodder.

I did pm Tony , I never denied it , I even posted his reply to me . I'm sorry if nobody read Tony's rules but I had no influence on what he wrote in August when he set the rules .
If a Big Mack is advertised and I pay for a Big Mack then I want a Big Mack but you are complaining because it's not a Whopper with cheese

We did have at the game last December, sniper rifle ruling, 500 fps with scopes, I built my Springfield especially for that game, would have used it earlier on this year but game was postponed. I was expecting to use it on this game too. So I’m not too impressed with this “downgrade “ at this game either, but I’m not going against Seg’s ruling........auto’s at 370 ready for the off!
Andy

Dadio,

It has become very apparent to us that the rules limit the rifles to 370fps, the same as the sube machine gun. Factually the sub machine gun with is sub caliber cartridge would have to get close to the target in reality to be effective, whereas the rifle would dominate at range with the high powered cartridge. Why is the fact not being applied to the game rules? Why are the rules making a mockery of rifles? Making the 9-10 round bolt action rifle the same power and effectively same range as the 30-50 magazine fed fully automatic submachine gun? You may as well say the sub machine gun should use a 10 round magazines and just balance the entire field. Even the machine guns should have the same power and ammo limits, no?

Your logic makes no sense...

MED sucks , I'd be all for lowering the power of smg's to even things out , only officers had side arms back in WW2 as a rule so bringing out a side arm inside 30 meters is wrong because the average soldier never had one so are you proposing that within 30m you run away or pull out the bayonette ?

Dadio,

It has become very apparent to us that the rules limit the rifles to 370fps, the same as the sube machine gun. Factually the sub machine gun with is sub caliber cartridge would have to get close to the target in reality to be effective, whereas the rifle would dominate at range with the high powered cartridge. Why is the fact not being applied to the game rules? Why are the rules making a mockery of rifles? Making the 9-10 round bolt action rifle the same power and effectively same range as the 30-50 magazine fed fully automatic submachine gun? You may as well say the sub machine gun should use a 10 round magazines and just balance the entire field. Even the machine guns should have the same power and ammo limits, no?

Your logic makes no sense...

MED sucks , I'd be all for lowering the power of smg's to even things out , only officers had side arms back in WW2 as a rule so bringing out a side arm inside 30 meters is wrong because the average soldier never had one so are you proposing that within 30m you run away or pull out the bayonette ?

You're waffling mate. MILSIM rules are simple and work all across the UK. We know what you and your pals have been up to with Seg, don't take us for fools.

Dadio,

It has become very apparent to us that the rules limit the rifles to 370fps, the same as the sube machine gun. Factually the sub machine gun with is sub caliber cartridge would have to get close to the target in reality to be effective, whereas the rifle would dominate at range with the high powered cartridge. Why is the fact not being applied to the game rules? Why are the rules making a mockery of rifles? Making the 9-10 round bolt action rifle the same power and effectively same range as the 30-50 magazine fed fully automatic submachine gun? You may as well say the sub machine gun should use a 10 round magazines and just balance the entire field. Even the machine guns should have the same power and ammo limits, no?

Your logic makes no sense...

MED sucks , I'd be all for lowering the power of smg's to even things out , only officers had side arms back in WW2 as a rule so bringing out a side arm inside 30 meters is wrong because the average soldier never had one so are you proposing that within 30m you run away or pull out the bayonette ?

Lowering SMG fps to what? 250? Might as well bring my supersoaker instead, it'll have more range. There's no logical reason to enforce such limits, unless you have upgraded AEGs that will piss on underpowered rifles.

The nanny-state govt itself deemed 500fps acceptable for semi-auto guns. So what exactly is this nerf-gun BS mentality about anyway?! Does somebody think they're going to get their head blown off? Lol.

You guys need to get your heads together and plan and run a game your way instead of complaining that other people's games are not to your taste , if your not prepared to do that then stop complaining .