had no choice mate, the last game at pocket was on a paintball site,,,,,,,,,, yuck , every tree was covered in bright yellow snot.
Mines got allsorts all over it. Dont like the fresh out of basic look. So mines covered in mud and stains. But its still got its green tint
erm... I'm sure that red paint splats would look wrong.
One of the reasons why I don't like to play at paintball sites!
Heck, I didn't like to do it in my modern kit and that cost pennies in comparison with what I cavort about in now.
erm... I'm sure that red paint splats would look wrong.
One of the reasons why I don't like to play at paintball sites!
Heck, I didn't like to do it in my modern kit and that cost pennies in comparison with what I cavort about in now.
Well im not going to get shot by a paintball gun at an airsoft game, so a splatter is unlucky. But while i was playing Road to Caen, i knelt on a few green paintballs, just got covered by the mud, and looks fine.
Dog Company protrays a unit during combat anyway. So 'Daz' clean uniforms aren't nessesary.
M42's - Greeny-brown, not the SOF Tan colour although I do like the 42's in Tan they look pretty good.
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Not US but I do use dilute bleach on a lot of German canvas webbing to age/soften it...er and then kick it round the garden and never clean it again . As CW say variegation is the spice of life
Just to add to the debate, my ATF the M42s had a nice greenish (uneven) tint which looked like it had been applied in a batch bath. It smelt a bit 'natural' too so assume that it was a vegetable dye of some form.
This lovely green tint disappeared when I got incredibly wet at Churchill's Revenge and ended up on the layers beneath my M42s!
I've seen some darker brown suits and some lighter khaki ones, but very few of the Chinese ones have the green was tint to them. My issue with these is less about their colour and more about the substandard fabric used. It's nowhere near thick enough.
My issue with these is less about their colour and more about the substandard fabric used. It's nowhere near thick enough.
It's a wonderful hobby.
I have heard exactly the opposite, that the cloth is usually too thick. Thats why the re-enforcing was done because the original cloth was quite thin. It was designed to be worn over wools.
I dont know what the facts are on this aspect of the M42 saga. Might be time to get hunting.
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My issue with these is less about their colour and more about the substandard fabric used. It's nowhere near thick enough.
Wow, that surprises me. Cotton is as cheap as chips in the US and even super cheap K-Mart / Old Navy cotton clothing is made from high quality fabric.
...and I don't even know what an M42 is...
My issue with these is less about their colour and more about the substandard fabric used. It's nowhere near thick enough.
It's a wonderful hobby.
I have heard exactly the opposite, that the cloth is usually too thick. Thats why the re-enforcing was done because the original cloth was quite thin. It was designed to be worn over wools.
I dont know what the facts are on this aspect of the M42 saga. Might be time to get hunting.
Yeah, but the Chinese ones I've seen are thin cotton like a pair of slacks or a summer jacket. My '42s are more like a thin denim and offer good protection in brambles and wet weather. They'd still need reinforcing.
Also, the reinforcing on the Chinese ones is WAAY too thin. The stuff I have on mine is a thick oiled cotton and offer great protection and really won't EVER split.
asking to be bitten on the bum on that, or have a webby style rip occur on you.
Already happened with my crappy M43 trousers......Webby's just a imitator! Although his seam failure was FAR more catastrophic. 
belt to inside knee at husky! Apparently my M42s are post war unissued, the material is very thick compare to the cheap repro i got from SOF many mooons ago! Almost like Denim like HS said. Mine ripped because my ass is far too big for them! Fixed now though! (Thats smaller ass and stitched up before anybody pot noodles me 
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belt to inside knee at husky! Apparently my M42s are post war unissued, the material is very thick compare to the cheap repro i got from SOF many mooons ago! Almost like Denim like HS said. Mine ripped because my ass is far too big for them! Fixed now though!
Unissued post war M42s????? 
Are you thinking of M43s? 
why does everyone wanna be a paratrooper???
We don't.
why does everyone wanna be a paratrooper???
Thats a bit left field, for the subject....Personal choice mate. Im a paratrooper and proud of it.
why does everyone wanna be a paratrooper???
I have both.
Defo M42 jump suit mate, M43s are green, this one's tan with green re-enforced pockets.
I don't recall exactly what the guy said to me where I got it, deffo a set from wartime-ish, never was issued. May have been a batch of faulty jumpsuits from the production as it doesn't have any of the press-studs on the front zip.
Defo M42 jump suit mate, M43s are green, this one's tan with green re-enforced pockets.
LOL so Webby's unissued originals are tan coloured, doesn't that bring us right back to square one?
On another note, anyone still interested might like to check out a related discussion on the colour of British WWI aeroplanes here - http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/t ... 287/1.html - and here - http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/camou ... sting.html. It seems the whole green/brown/od/khaki controversy is a general thing and clearly not just confined to M42 jumpsuits.
I find it quite fascinating that it seems to be pretty much impossible to establish something so (at first glance) basic as what colour things were in so recent a historical period, especially one so richly documented.
So I reckon we either widen the debate to include pretty much all allied gear in WWII, or call it a day and just accept if we all look pretty much the same that's good enough....
LOL so Webby's unissued originals are tan coloured, doesn't that bring us right back to square one?
Not really, it just shows that we can't look at a paint/fabric sample NOW and say with any degree of certainty what the colour actually was seventy years ago. Not precisely, not absolutely.
I've already pointed out the combination of vague colour names coupled with eye/brain interpretation along with colour change over time, complicated with total colour inaccuracy of photographic capture and subsequent reproduction through multifarious media, not to mention variable dye/paint colour in the first place all conspire to make 'accuracy' impossible. An educated guess & considered logic might get you somewhere near!
However, that's not to discount personal experience. Poacher's premise that started all this was VERY valid and quite simple - a statement to the effect that when comparing original garments with modern reproduction, when seen in the same place at the same time, that the originals had more of a green hue and couldn't be described as tan. This is an indisputable fact, it's what he saw.
What you can't go on to say (and Poacher didn't of course) was that therefore ALL M42 jumpsuits were of a green colour, not tan.
