Grass green collar piping wanted.

Can we leave this as a wanted thread please?

At this point can I ask that VS's wishes are respected. Everyone has made their point and their is no advantage in pursuing it further...

There is whilst he is talking rubbish.
25th Armd Infanty? Armd. infantry what? Fish tank? Ladle? It means nothing. What book are you reading? Please tell me, I really want to know.
The 60th and 156th Pzr.Gren. Rgts were a part of the 116th Panzer Division from it's formation until the end of the war in the west. They did have the green waffen farbe. The 156th DID NOT have the wrap issued to it's grenadiers. Field grey wraps did not have their collars piped in any colour as far as I have been able to determine. Not when worn by Stug crews, SP arty crews, Panzer Jaeger, Recon types or Grenadiers. I dont claim to have seen every surviving jacket or every picture in the archive but you get a feeling, trends form, reasonable assumptions can be made.
There is plenty of evidence that the Windhund wore the wrap, I have never denied that. There is NO evidence that the 156th ever wore the wrap. That is the point.
When argueing that you should be allowed to wear a certain item the onus is on you to show it was worn, not on us to prove it wasn't. I cant prove 156th grenadiers never wore pink and blue wet suits and green piped waders but it's a bloody good bet based on what can be found in the records. It's one of those reasonable assumptions I mentioned earlier. I dont have to prove a psychic cant read my mind, he must prove he can.
At the moment the rest of the well read and researched WW2 community are sure what you propose is bunk. You are in a minority of one.
Lets see some evidence, lets have some source books listed so we can check on your claims.
You are also massively wrong about the divide between re-enacting and airsoft. The line is so blurred as to be indistinct. Not all, in fact very little, re-enactment is about anal recreations of actual battles. I doubt they are any more accurate than the airsoft scenarios, to be honest I know they are not. For re-enactors the devil is in the detail, for airsofters it's in the action.
There are a good number of members of this forum who might consider they are re-enactors as well as airsofters. There are a good number who are re-enactors because they have to be to continue their airsofting. There are a good number of re-enactors who airsoft, not always the same period.
With good research [into both hobbies] it is possible to drift between the two seamlessly, your other interest unknown to those around you. How would that be possible if the two were as different as you claim?
Even airsofters are now fussy about uniform accuracy, they have standards for themselves and for the sub units they create. They are relaxed about it, they wont call another airsofter about his kit. Unless he/she wants to join their unit when the standards start to apply.

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Guess what just got delivered by the postman. Just as I posted that last message. The German Army 1939-45 (5) Western front 1943-45, Nigel Thomas, Illustrations by Stephen Andrew. Let us see....
Bottom of page 39? 'probably a platoon leader in Panzergrenadier-Regiment 60 or 156'? I think because those who rode half tracks were given the wraps rather than truck mounted infantry we can say he was from the 60th? Why? 156 didnt have half tracks they were motorised not armoured. 1st batt. 60th was armoured in half tracks. See 'Normandy 1944 german Military Organization, combat power and organizational Effectiveness' Niklas zetterling, 2000.
Or even better 'From Normandy to the Ruhr with the 116th panzer Division in WWII, Heinz Gunther Guderian, Aberjona Press 2001' page 505. This is written by the Divisional 1st general staff officer [1a] the son of the famous General Heinz Wilhelm Guderian father of the Panzer forces. The guy was there and there at the top looking down. Nothing lost or grey.
The Osprey book itself explains on page 33;
"Eleven categories of troops serving on the Western and Italian fronts in armoured vehicles but not wearing black Panzer uniform were issued the special field grey uniform."
It then details those categories and very relevant to us includes;
"Panzergrenadier Battalions on half-tracks;"
No mention of trucks or horses or foot slogging.
The points to note from your book are, 1]Armoured vehicles. 2] panzergren. on halftracks. 156 had none of these.
I also discovered the source of dubious 25 armrd infantry, there was no such unit. A selective list on pages 40-42 of the Osprey book which details the numbers of each type of unit available on the Western and Italian fronts July '43 to May '45. You miss read the table I'm affraid. The titles of the table are miss leading, they are poor use of poor translations. They refer to 'armd Infantry [panzergrenadier] regts.' when not all panzergrenadier regts were armoured. The list is saying there were 25 armrd Infantry regt. in the areas detailed.
So to sum up, sorry but your primary reference doesn't support you claims if it is read correctly, not cherry picked for the bits that suit your ideal. Confirmation bias again, making the evidence bend to the answer you want.
It's not a bad book actually.

edit; in my haste I forgot this bit;
German Army Uniforms and Insignia 1933-1945, Brian L.Davis my version published in 1998 by Brockhampton Press.
His section 3.36. on the Special field grey uniform. Page 168; "No piping to the edge of the collar was used; nor was the 0.9cm wide rank braiding......
You never made clear if you just wanted to pipe two collar tabs or the whole collar.
Qed?

Its just for around the collar tabs - not the whole collar. As I don't wish to offend anyone I'll happily offer to portray another PG unit; what do you suggest? (Windhund, wrap uniform?) I don't set out to do things badly or wrongly and think it very negative to "rubbish" people if they have misread/misunderstood published information; encouragement would be much more productive?

I dont think providing the evidence for your impression is rubbishing you, just pointing you in the right direction.
All you have to do is change 156 in your signature to 60 and you are spot on. It was that easy all along.
If you want to chose 1 batt. 60th pzr.gren.regt. I can add some details?
4 companies made up the battalion.
The overall commander in June/July '44 was Major Helmut zander, his adjutant was Leutnant d.R. Wolfgang Moller.
Company commanders were;
1) Oberleutnant Gerd Gorges
2) OberLeutnant d.R. Emil Reunert
3) Oberleutnant d.R. Harald von Lobbecke
4) Hauptmann Helmut Nagel

By December '44 only Emil Reunert was still there in his original role. Helmut zander was promoted to Oberstleutnant in command of the regiment. What happened to the others? I dont know but with this division the chances are I can find out.
As I said I've been researching for 5 years and have collected a good amount of data on the uniforms and where the division was at any point.
A good choice for airsofting the 116th were in most of the major battles from summer '44 until the wars end. Normandy they helped to keep the mouth of the Falaise gap open and around the Seine bridgehead. They were in action around Aachen in September, south of Arnhem at the end of the month and into october. End of October saw them back in Aachen then in November they were used in the Hurtgen and the Ruhr. December through January the div. was in the Bulge. In March they opposed the Rhine crossing at Wessel, their war ending with action in the Ruhr Cauldron and surrender in the Harz mountains.
Most of the major battles of the western front. You cant go wrong with the 116th.
Get a copy of Guderians book, sometimes wordy but vital for any 116th grenadier.

60th sounds fine to me - thanks for the info. Think the Osprey book confused my already scrambled brain! Will amend my sig to something a little more light hearted I think after all this heavy stuff!