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Siggi
(@siggi)
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I've been having a good look through all the forums, especially the events, and noticed a lot of restrictions on ammo. I understand the intent behind it but it's kind of putting me off. The reason we need, in my opinion, un-restricted ammo is two-fold:

a) A lot of airsoft guns don't lend themselves well to such low numbers of rounds in their mags.

b) BBs don't act like real bullets. Where a couple of real rounds would blast through bushes and whatnot a couple of BBs will be easily deflected by wind, twigs, leaves and etc. In effect a 50-round burst of BBs achieves what a couple of real bullets would.

I'm actually a bit baffled how you guys are getting a good battle with so few allowed rounds in your guns. Inside a building I can see it working very well but outdoors?

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Topic starter Posted : 17/02/2016 12:19 pm
Ox&Bucks
(@oxbucks)
Estimable Member

You will be surprised. I have never had a ammo shortage or run out yet, even with the limits as they are. I have come very very close and find they enhance the day with plenty of "MAG OUT!" moments and then relying on your buddies for cover.

It depends on the specific game that you go to but WW2 games are on the whole not massive blat fests. Open days can give you that if you want it. WW2 is much more immersive than that. It is about sticking together and working as a team.

The only exception to what I have said above is if you are a dedicated Machine/ Support Gunner eg. MG42, BAR, Bren and so on, then you will burn a large amount of rounds.

Come to a well run game and you will be pleasantly surprised.


Current Arsenal: ICS Grease Gun, ICS M1 Garand, MP40, Viva Arms Sten Mk2.

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Posted : 17/02/2016 12:55 pm
(@gunman)
Noble Member

Its all about a level playing field and what y0ou want your battles to look like. I run events with 300 rnd limits and have epic battle all the way. You can always re-load from an ammo crate if you have one. Experience is the key one here, although we use airsoft to resolve combat, most of the ww2 community want the experience over the game. That what makes WW2 events different from your open day games. Try it, if it doesn't work ill be surprised but each to their own;)

Heer Schmidt

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Posted : 17/02/2016 1:12 pm
cjw957
(@cjw957)
Famed Member

if you are expecting the ww2 games to be like walk on games you are way off base i run games with 200 , 300 ammo limits and yes you may run out of ammo (not often) but that adds to it pinned down with only a few shots left or trying to get out on no ammo or surrendering part of the game , i think you need to try and see it first , its seemed to work for us for many years with no issues, dont worry you not the first new player that has said that even more so when i do modern style milsim style games , but it amazes me how many after go ahh i get it now and it works well, though its not for everyone , some folks just love hi caps and shooting bushes

come try a game bet you will be surprised , and if not well at least you tried it :)




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Posted : 17/02/2016 1:29 pm
cjw957
(@cjw957)
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I've been having a good look through all the forums, especially the events, and noticed a lot of restrictions on ammo. I understand the intent behind it but it's kind of putting me off. The reason we need, in my opinion, un-restricted ammo is two-fold:

a) A lot of airsoft guns don't lend themselves well to such low numbers of rounds in their mags.

b) BBs don't act like real bullets. Where a couple of real rounds would blast through bushes and whatnot a couple of BBs will be easily deflected by wind, twigs, leaves and etc. In effect a 50-round burst of BBs achieves what a couple of real bullets would.

I'm actually a bit baffled how you guys are getting a good battle with so few allowed rounds in your guns. Inside a building I can see it working very well but outdoors?

a) which ones ? the mp44 is hi cap only but even then 200-300 is still fine when i have used one ? mp40,m1,m3, garands ,etc all have mids

2) i doubt you will ever see any one at a ww2 game doing a 50 bb burst , a lot will be on single shot or very short bursts

in 20+ games i have run out of ammo 2-3 times




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Posted : 17/02/2016 1:32 pm
dadio
(@dadio)
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Another of the thing's about WW2 was the fact that most soldiers were armed with bolt action rifles not smg's ,assault riffles or mg's , many players at WW2 events want to use a bolt action rifle (350fps not a sniper rifle) to better portray the average soldier ,with very low ammo limmits the riffle is less disadvantaged , 150 round ammo limmit is to all intents infinite to a bolt action rifle but if you have an smg it makes you really think before you pull the trigger .Most games encourage a more squad based tactical solution to combat ,you have an mg per squad and it has a high ammo limmit and rof so the rest of the squad have to work to get it into position to take advantage of the extra fire power ,if everybody has infinate ammo and high rof like modern walk on airsoft then having a dedicated support weapon is pointless and makes for a lot less tactical game play .
Come to a game ,try it out then decide if it works or not ,if its not your thing then at least you try'd something different for a day .

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
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Posted : 17/02/2016 3:00 pm
Siggi
(@siggi)
Estimable Member

I'm thinking of situations where a target is behind cover such that a real bullet would have no problem blasting through but an airsoft gun would need a good burst to emulate the ability of that one real bullet.

Re specific guns, my MG42 stops feeding when it still has around 100 BBs in its mag and our Ppsh41's behave similarly. They have high-capacity drum-mags (1700 and 2000 respectively) and their mechanisms are not able to scavenge the last of the rounds. But I guess we could work out what the leeway is and adjust accordingly (put 400 in for 300 out). Or not applicable to the MG anyway, it would be allowed far more rounds if I read correctly. :)

But yes, suck it and see. There are two upcoming events that are within reasonable driving distance, it's just a case of seeing if enough people sign up before committing what I presume is a non-refundable fee (been caught out with that scenario before).

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Topic starter Posted : 17/02/2016 4:02 pm
Hänschen klein
(@hanschen-klein)
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The first thing that you need to get your head around is not how much ammo you have it is how much the other side have!

In WW2 games we have stringent limits or else we would be Skirmishing in Silly Kit (SISK) and everyone would be sporting a MG42 firing from the hip with a 2000 box mag.

You will be surprised that if you only have 200 rds a life the other side only has 200 rds a life so the playing field is even. We allow much more for support weapons (But they are limited per side). I even played a game where we had 100rds All Day My first thought is how is that going to work, but it was good. You sneaked around avoiding contact (Remember we are trying to portray a WW2 experience, not some episode from Call of Duty) and when you needed to shoot you made sure you got a hit rather than spray and pray.

Most briefs you get say Short Bursts, do that with a MP40 50 rd mag and you will be all right. Mention of hi cap mags yes you are right MP44 and PPsh function quite alright with 200 rds you just add a few BB`s so they wind up then measure 200 out into a container (A small travel shampoo bottle does the trick) so you can dump the right amount in each time.

I have been to many games and even the Newbie introductory entry level games have limits and all seem to work well.

Come along give it a try and see what you think.





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Posted : 17/02/2016 4:08 pm
Hänschen klein
(@hanschen-klein)
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There are two upcoming events that are within reasonable driving distance, it's just a case of seeing if enough people sign up before committing what I presume is a non-refundable fee (been caught out with that scenario before).

If a game gets cancelled by organisers then you will receive your money back no problem.

Our game in May already has enough numbers its certainly not going to be cancelled.





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Posted : 17/02/2016 4:10 pm
Allenby
(@allenby)
Noble Member

I'd be put off by a game that had unrestricted ammo limits. Some of the best experiences I've had in WW2 airsoft have been when I've been on that last mag and trying to conserve ammo.



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Posted : 17/02/2016 4:12 pm
Siggi
(@siggi)
Estimable Member

I definitely want to give it a go. :)

Re the May game you mention, I can find only one (Eversley?), but that has only nine signed up for the Germans so I assume I'm missing one somewhere else? If not are there people already going who aren't on the list? 95 miles but with camping and facilities, sounds good! Is the camping included in the fee (and would we have to use zelts? Lol). :)

The regular airsoft I go to is fun but I've been looking for WW2-themed stuff for a while, yet found this forum only by chance. Go figure. :)

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Topic starter Posted : 17/02/2016 4:26 pm
dadio
(@dadio)
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For camping you can go modern or period its up to you as its not in game ,people often separate the period tentage from modern as its good for pictures but a good dry nites sleep is most important ,the other thing about camping is the social scene ,its nice to sit at leasure and chat about the game you just played or kit-n-stuff and your going to make new friends in combat but only at the social evenngs camping can you really get to know people over a glass of something .I don't think i've ever heard about any game charging for camping ,its just part of the game really.

armoury
m1a1 Thompson,sten mk2,mp40,stg44,sterling,mk2 bren gun,lee Enfield no4 mk1,Mauser Kar98, Walther ppk,smith and Weston m10 and Mauser m712
Give me a big enough hammer and a place to stand and I could fix the world.
i'll kill a man in a fair fight or if i think he's going to start a fair fight or over a woman or.......
a problem shared is a problem halved ,but an advantage shared is no advantage at all
if a job's not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well





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Posted : 17/02/2016 5:02 pm
Siggi
(@siggi)
Estimable Member

For camping you can go modern or period its up to you as its not in game ,people often separate the period tentage from modern as its good for pictures but a good dry nites sleep is most important ,the other thing about camping is the social scene ,its nice to sit at leasure and chat about the game you just played or kit-n-stuff and your going to make new friends in combat but only at the social evenngs camping can you really get to know people over a glass of something .I don't think i've ever heard about any game charging for camping ,its just part of the game really.

I hear you on that! Nothing better than kicking back after a good day's horror and sharing a few beers around a fire. :)

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Topic starter Posted : 17/02/2016 5:13 pm
(@mattywheels)
Noble Member

Agree with all the others, in all the WW2 events that I have attended, I don't think I have ever run out of ammo! I try and use a rifle as often as I can, and use it as a sub 350fps battle rifle - not a powered up sniper rifle! The ammo restrictions really encourage rifles in the game (after all, that's what the majority of infantry men on all sides used) and in addition really enhance the role of heavy machine guns making their greater capacity far more effective.

Don't be put off by the lower than usual ammo limits - attend a game & I'll bet you'll be pleasantly surprised!

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Posted : 17/02/2016 5:24 pm
Chomley-Warner
(@admin-infinity)
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A couple of articles to read that should give you an idea what to expect:
http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/ww2-airsof ... roduction/
http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/taking-the-plunge/

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Posted : 17/02/2016 6:29 pm
Siggi
(@siggi)
Estimable Member

Damned good reads, thank you! :)

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Topic starter Posted : 17/02/2016 6:44 pm
 Jay7
(@jay7)
Reputable Member

Ammo limits work fine for me,makes you re learn fire and manoeuvre and using cover and covering fire.
I think I've run out of ammo probably twice in game in the last two years.




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Posted : 17/02/2016 7:14 pm
Zero Bravo
(@zero-bravo)
Famed Member

Its when you've run out of ammo, and fumbled about to get that pistol out of the holster and then you've got a dozen rounds or so to get that bugger that had you pinned down, that's where the real fun is, especially if you do get a kill with it




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Posted : 17/02/2016 8:39 pm
Steiner
(@steiner_1609088194)
Illustrious Member

I played "normal" airsoft at open days and I didn't like the idea of ammo limits. However, having experienced them, I consider ammo limits essential to the atmosphere of a WW2 event. Many events allow MGs to have higher limits, to try and reproduce their dominance in a battle.


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Posted : 17/02/2016 11:26 pm
MartinR
(@martinr)
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Not much to add to the comments above really. WW2 games aren't about hi-cap blatfesting and racking up kills, more about recreating the experience and working together as a group. Ammo limits help, as everyone is in the same boat, but even with very low ammo limits I've very rarely actually run out and even then it was more of a conscious decision.

Anyway, best thing is to get along to a game and try it out, you will hopefully be pleasantly surprised. Unfortunately it does require some travelling as there aren't many games and they are all over the place.

Cheers
Martin

"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" Helmuth von Moltke
Toys: AGM MP40, Cyma M1A1, TM M14/G43/SVT40, TM VSR/K98, SnS No. 4, ASG Sten, Ppsh.

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