Two stage guns.. a solution.

It would take some getting use to from an opponent's POV. Your enemy has been whacking the trees around you at 60m and now you are confronted by him at 10m. Foook!

A bit like stumbling upon a German with a gas K98, I know they shouldn't use it at close range, but I still think Foook (at the very least), you can never account for that reaction shot!

whilst it would be possible to make the springer gun have a half cock (low power) and a full cock (full power) and to have to press a button to allow the full cock, Once the gun is cocked at the full power, it is cocked at the full power! Its then just a case of pulling the trigger! So there is nothing to stop you cocking at full power and then breaching the MED.

The only way you could make it work would be with a gas powered gun where holding a button in opens a valve to allow a full powered shot when the trigger is pulled.

No, you can lock the trigger when at 500fps unless the button is pressed.

Or only hold at 500fps at all when the button is pressed and as soon as that has been released then go to 350fps... Which by the way, Gadge, is what I was on about in my previous post, nothing at all to do with the trigger.

No i know what you meant

My point is that is that you'd have to take care to execute the shot properly from start to finish (as is the intention of the principle), which is no bad thing at 328+

1 shot @ 500FPS in the back of the skull is far more preferable to 20 shots @ 328FPS in my experience

Anyway, the whole thing is irrelevant. I can imagine the arguments at Airsoft sites already "You were holding the button down when you shot me at 10 yards etc etc"

i think the only workable 340-500 way is two guns....

1 shot @ 500FPS in the back of the skull is far more preferable to 20 shots @ 328FPS in my experience

Anyway, the whole thing is irrelevant. I can imagine the arguments at Airsoft sites already "You were holding the button down when you shot me at 10 yards etc etc"

Yeah cos we never have arguments about being shot to close up at the moment....

actually gadge, we dont have many, its when we go to gucciflage open days that the problems start. amongst our ww2 fraternity its not what i would class as an issue, it happens, but not (usually) with malice, so there arnt that many rucks about it.

No it's not that bad a point... It would be hard to prove someone did have the button pressed when they shot you at close range, whereas with 2 guns you can see which was being used.

meh... I still reckon we should just ban all high powered guns.

That was a JOKE by the way.

Perhaps we could have a way that digitally inscribes the id of the gun it was shot from and the fps used onto each bb. Perhaps even take a sample of the firer's DNA and put that in the bb as well...

actually gadge, we dont have many, its when we go to gucciflage open days that the problems start. amongst our ww2 fraternity its not what i would class as an issue, it happens, but not (usually) with malice, so there arnt that many rucks about it.

Nige we'll have to agree to disagree there but nearly every event ive been to someone has been cut open by a close up shot and been upset about it.

well,,,, not going as far as crazy old yith, having 2 guns both stamped with a different recognisable number/code aint a bad idea.

not saying it doesnt happen gadge, it does, but everytime its happened to me ( 3 time now i think) its been a genuine accident from a player who is mortified they did it. there was one exception.
it also goes the other way, i once over killed stiener so much( by accident) i wouldnt have had a problem if he had punched my lights out,

we arnt the average airsofters, we are much better.

The whole "shooting people under the MED" could be solved if people simply learned to judge what that distance looked like in the first place (one of the reasons why I showed them at Husky) and also, if people were just a bit more aware of what was going on around them by switching on a bit. Common sense it what is required here, along the lines of "If in doubt, don't shoot".

I've been to events in the distant past where everyone with a high powered rifle had to pass a "certification" before they could use that rifle, which wasn't a bad idea. It consisted of them having to judge the MED correctly, have their gun chrono'ed and to show that they were carrying a suitable, accessible sidearm. Not 100% for weeding out numpties but better than nowt.

Let's also not forget that some AEG's are a bit warm, pushing 370fps and a burst from that bloody hurts! Like Kermit, I think that a 350fps+ burst at close range hurts more than one shot from a 400fps plus weapon. Some pistols, on green gas are capable of over 400fps on a hot day as well don't forget.

Gadge, it's a noble idea that you have but in terms of practicality, it's a no go-er, in terms of engineering and the end user cost for it.

Ok this may sound silly so bear with me.... How about on a gas rifle you could have say two magazines with green gas and .43's, and another two mags with .28's and 134 gas? This may work better withs a tanaka or any other gas rifle with a restrictor bolt, as you could dial in, say 450 fps for the mags with green gas, so that theoretically the lower powered 134 gas should work out to below 350 fps.

Please tell me if its a silly idea....

The only problem I can see with that is faffing around changing magazines is going to be worse than whipping out a pistol

I'm afraid I'm in the pessimistic camp on this one, most airsoft toys keep working on a wing and a prayer as it is and adding extra complications can only make things worse.

However, I do of course have a solution of my own, with technology that's already widely and cheaply available.

Lasertag. No injuries. Ranges you can set to whatever suits you. Guns that actually shoot straight. Nothing to go wrong (in comparison).

Why oh why won't people listen to me........?

I always listen to you Barrie. Like I always listen to my wife. Well, I hear the words but I don't waste time and brainpower processing them. Just like I look at the words Gadge writes but don't read them.

Heh, lasertag isn't the answer is it? Sure, solid state is going to be more reliable but you lose the realism of guns 'jamming'. And yes, engagement range solved at a stroke. But more fundamentally, airsoft is only airsoft because you are firing a projectile at someone. You keep your head down, you keep out of trouble. Compare a 'pukka' blank firing battle video with a 'farby' airsoft battle video. Ignore the kit. Now, which looks more realistic? The airsoft one - chaps running with hunched shoulders, firing from behind solid defences etc.

There, I did listen.

Why oh why won't people admit that I'm right?

Of course lasertag is the answer. I would suggest that people will be MORE inclined to be hunched over and hunkered down because they will be much more likely to be hit at longer ranges. Think about it, no more people standing gaily around at the back with complete impunity taking pot shots with rifles, until a few desultory bbs float slowly towards them at which point they just saunter off.

I'm going to knock up a sample lasertag M1 rifle or something and demonstrate it at the next event. Then you shall all see the light* and will be saying "yes Barrie, you were right all along".

* Pun Intended.

Cool, look forward to that. I'm looking into getting kitted up already...

look at the guy on the right in the grey jumper...... he REALLY doesnt want to be there does he?

look at the guy on the right in the grey jumper...... he REALLY doesnt want to be there does he?

It's probably because he's an airsofter of some description and prefers the use of 6mm BB's. Fricking lazers , lets get the glow sticks and white gloves out if we're going down that route

I always had Barry down as a cheesy quaver.