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Chomley-Warner
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Exactly. I'm with Oddball.

I have tried for three years without success to get my solution to global warming accepted by Greenpeace, Jonathan Porritt and Government departments of all descriptions. Not the slightest bit of interest or the promise of research, just rebuttals.

My calculations have been meticulous and well researched but I fear the authority-led hysteria about global warming is driven by powers-that-be as a vehicle for generating more revenue steams and bolster the oil wars.

And yet it is all so simple. By my calculation if everyone in the world were to simultaneously open their fridges for just one hour the air temperature would drop by a full one degree, taking us back beyond pre-1900 levels. Of course it would take monumental effort to get a simultaneous fridge opening - but what better way of uniting the world! National Fridge Opening Day - there must be some votes in that?

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 8:52 am
Diggah
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CW for PM!... again!

No longer involved in airsoft.

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 8:54 am
Old Un
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CW for PM!... again!

Stop it, carry on like that and he'll need a larger Shirmutze.

National Fridge Opening day , the idea is sheer nonsense , no chance at all of making the slightest difference according to my mate John from the Bull & Crown . Now if it we national Freezer Opening Day I think there could be some merit .

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 8:59 am
Chomley-Warner
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Problem with freezers is large stocks of comestibles would be wasted, fridge contents are generally transitional and can be consumed safely within a couple of days. However, the option is there - if freezers were used then of course the opening time can be reduced from one hour to half an hour with similar effect.

Just don't say this concept hasn't been thought through...

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 9:12 am
Pete_59
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Just to go back to the hydrogen car debate, I watched a program a few nights ago where on a remote scottish island they were using a hydrogen car and the energy being used to produce the hydrogen was an experimental wave action generator, which could produce enough energy to supply upto 500 homes so the technology is there it just needs to be deployed.

As to the deliberate suppression of this technology, the first succesful experiments in running internal combustion engines on hydrogen took place almost a century ago so why hasn't it been developed? and why do people find it so hard to believe that rich and powerful people, (i.e. the oil industry), will do whatever it takes to prevent anything undermining the source of their wealth and power?



 
Posted : 30/11/2007 10:31 am
Steiner
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It's the Stonecutters....

"Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenburg a star?
We do! We do!"


You've got nothing to ein, zwei, drei, vier

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 11:41 am
Kermit
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Problem with Hydrogen is primarily that of storage. Put simply, to get a decent amount of it onboard a vehicle, you need a very large pressure vessel to hold it. Then there's the H&S aspect. One of those tanks ruptures during an accident and it is *very* messy.

It's one of the main reasons why Hydrogen Reformation is getting so much money pumped into it. That way you can use a liquid fuel then split the Hydrogen out on demand - which can then either be used in a fuel cell, or directly in an IC engine.

Urgh. This is starting to sound far too much like work...

When we were a Kingdom it was run by a King
When we were an Empire it was run by an Empress
Now we're a country we're run by a..........

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 11:57 am
Old Un
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hmmm Hydrogen .... I'm sure there was aproblem with that a few years back ....

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 12:08 pm
Pete_59
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hmmm Hydrogen .... I'm sure there was aproblem with that a few years back ....

It wasn't the hydrogen that was the problem, it was the fact that the doping compound used on the fabric was basically the same as rocket fuel and it is now generally accepted that the fire started because of a static discharge igniting the fabric and the hydrogen didn't become a factor until it was already well alight.



 
Posted : 30/11/2007 12:18 pm
Old Un
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Er ......bit like saying fire would be ok without fuel, oxygen and and ignition source . The cause is almost immaterial , the results were a disaster. At least with a ruptured petrol tank you get a chance to run for it .

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 12:52 pm
Pete_59
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By that argument we shouldn't use flamable fuels in aircraft because when they crash regardless of the cause they can and do catch fire and kill people :?

My point was that this disaster was wrongly attributed to the hydrogen being ignited by a relatively minor collision with the mooring post and it was decided that if such a minor event could cause such a major disaster then hydrogen was too dangerous too use, in actual fact the disaster was already well advanced before the hydrogen caught fire and the main reason for all the deaths was the burning structure of the airship collapsing on the cabin and it is unlikely that even if they'd been using helium the scale of the disaster would have been lessened.



 
Posted : 30/11/2007 1:59 pm
oddball
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By that argument we shouldn't use flamable fuels in aircraft because when they crash regardless of the cause they can and do catch fire and kill people :?

My point was that this disaster was wrongly attributed to the hydrogen being ignited by a relatively minor collision with the mooring post and it was decided that if such a minor event could cause such a major disaster then hydrogen was too dangerous too use, in actual fact the disaster was already well advanced before the hydrogen caught fire and the main reason for all the deaths was the burning structure of the airship collapsing on the cabin and it is unlikely that even if they'd been using helium the scale of the disaster would have been lessened.

Yes have seen the programs on it to, they say Hydrogen could be used again today but I think it would be hard to get the passengers.
However I think helium would have lessened the speed of the fire on the Hindenburg. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... &plindex=0

I will have to post CW's fridge idea up on a few forums for review! :roll:

People do find things out about water all the time, a friend put me onto this one about 6 months back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fK346YMhG0

Watch Vid
Free speech is expensive these days!

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 7:19 pm
JD7
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Yes have seen the programs on it to, they say Hydrogen could be used again today but I think it would be hard to get the passengers.
However I think helium would have lessened the speed of the fire on the Hindenburg.

At least with the 2nd gas option they could have 'a laugh' on the way down :shock: I'll get my coat.....

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 7:52 pm
oddball
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At least with the 2nd gas option they could have 'a laugh' on the way down :shock: I'll get my coat.....

Good point :lol:

Here is the full dingle video they say he worked for NASA but maybe he was a janitor, as they don't say he was a research scientist or an engineer.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 4056295175

It's still worth making a cel as it will cost me very little to make most bits I can get for free, just scrap from work and if nothing else I may have a brown gas welder to play with.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1578285219

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... &plindex=4

Also see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZakmw0 ... re=related

And here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rosKZQ-ZYFw

Here is some CCT and construction info
http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/browse/waterfuel/42765

Watch Vid
Free speech is expensive these days!

 
Posted : 30/11/2007 8:41 pm
richardschulze1944
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I know this is a bit radical, but anyone got any news on the VCR legislation? :lol:

http://www.simplysoldiers.blogspot.com/

 
Posted : 02/12/2007 1:58 pm
Chomley-Warner
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Heh, fair point, another CiA thread wanders it's merry way off-topic. To be fair the VCRA is history now!

 
Posted : 02/12/2007 2:04 pm
Chomley-Warner
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So, on topic...

I was wandering round Coventry City centre last weekend (trying to find a USB hub on a Sunday - had to get one from WH Smith for £10 :evil: ) when I stumbled into one of those gadget shops, as you do. This is a busy shopping precinct alongside all other normal high street shops.

There at the back was a display case of pistols and sub machine guns. All very realistic but cheepo kit (with usual bottle of yellow .12g BBs). Clearly RIFs. Above the case was a prominent notice along the lines of: Strictly for sale to over 18s only, proof of age required.

Appropriate for IFs certainly but for RIFs they were breaking the law.

The question is, what to do?
Ask to see the manager?
Phone trading standards?
Ring Crime Stoppers or local nick?

Thing is, it's not my business - is it? Would doing the authorities job by informing be a small step toward 1984 or dare I say it a totalitarian state?

Your thoughts please?

 
Posted : 02/12/2007 2:26 pm
Steve.D
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Talking of totalitarian state have youy seen V for Vendetta? a vision of the future :shock:

Steve.D

 
Posted : 02/12/2007 2:31 pm
slick63
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Thing is, it's not my business - is it? Would doing the authorities job by informing be a small step toward 1984 or dare I say it a totalitarian state?

IMHO yes it would be. Its the governments legislation, let them enforce it.
I recently watched a documentary on East Germany where they opened the stasi files and found out that a staggering number of the citizens had been spying on their neighbours and informing on the slightest infringement, not a pleasant thought.
There was a thread dealing with this issue on another airsoft forum started by a chap who felt it was his business to wander his local area looking for shops selling RIFs after Oct 1st and informing shopkeepers of the law, he got a mixed response from the owners of the shops. The softers who replied to his thread also had mixed feelings on what he was doing. 8)

 
Posted : 02/12/2007 2:48 pm
richardschulze1944
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I'm sure your earlier post about the VCRA being history now was very much tongue in cheek, CW - :wink:

As for your moral dilemma. The whole point of the legislation, ostensibly, is to restrict the availability of RIFs to the 'general' public, and as 'legitimate' airsofters most of us are in agreement (aren't we?) that preventing RIFs falling in to the hands of 'chavs and anyone else with merely a passing interest in such things' is a good thing. Ergo, is it not encumbent upon us, as law abiding citiizens, and ones with a vested interest to boot, to be proactive if and when we encounter someone breaking the law? Food for thought, certainly.

And similarly, a couple of POIs picked up from my local site yesterday:

1 'Serious' airsofters should avoid the temptation, if indeed there is one, to buy any of these two-tone, or multi-coloured guns now coming on to the market

2 One of the chaps I play alongside bought a new gun - a Dboys full metal M4 - and some other bits and pieces from RSOV last week and the parcel arrived within a week. He is registered at the site, and with UKARA, his reg. details were included on the paperwork fixed to the outside of the parcel and there were no delays, hold ups or embarrassing questions asked

3 We were told, by one of the site organisers, of another regular player who had his premises raided by 20 armed police officers. They confiscated his entire collection of RIFs and told him that as long as they didn't fire above 328fps after they'd been checked, they'd be returned

Who knows where all this will end?

http://www.simplysoldiers.blogspot.com/

 
Posted : 02/12/2007 3:54 pm
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