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philthy
(@philthy)
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I've had games that I've sat around hardly fire a shot all day and games were contact is considerable, I've been shot in face more times than I can remember I've been shot point blank with pistol , one of ours had the skin break & bleed when hit by one in particular shot , but I focus on the positive things and learn by the mistakes there's all way something to go wrong , it happens


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Posted : 09/10/2017 8:07 am




hcompany
(@hcompany)
Estimable Member

I'm not complaining about being shot in the face, if that's all you can see, shoot it.
But when it breaks the skin from 30+ meters it tends to be a high FPS, and it certainly wasn't coming from a bolt-action


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Posted : 09/10/2017 8:19 am




paule
(@paule)
Estimable Member

there did seem to be some very powerful guns out there. I was apparently out of range with my garand (which is set up really well) and hit by proper stinging bbs flying flat and fast!

But that is how it was - the day was a good day with a few issues (the blind firing from the tower was a bit out of order I have to say - but then nothing had been said about not blind firing in the briefing).

Perhaps next one we use a chrono and supply the bbs for chrono- ing?

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Posted : 09/10/2017 8:34 am




Wattsy
(@wattsy)
Estimable Member

il be honest, what sly has put pretty much sums up the day for myself as well. I will be giving future ww2 games at combat south a miss until i hear positive improvements, its a bloody long way and a very expensive weekend for me travelling down there for a poor game. :(

i have to say i was not terribly pleased, each time we followed the timings on our orders there was no one to attack at that point we were supposed to attack, small groups kept going off and doing their own thing, there was lone wolfing. lunch was confused. we had axis off advances and they all went out the window just a free for all with random people from different units all mixed up. we had jerries blind firing, not hit taking and there was talk of 'hot' weapons though not sure about that. there were a lot of unimpressed people on the day on the allies, surprised people changing their tune for the forums. There was even one chap who had to remove himself from the game to cool down over his frustration over the jerries. It might aswell have been an open day in ww2 kit for all the good the orders were, I think unfortunately an open day would have been more fun :( but still I appreciate the effort taken to organise and put it on, so thank you for that.
if I were to make a suggestion for future events, it would be a radio on the day for any of the section leaders to actually get hold of organiser to find out what is happening when things are not going right. And/or have an army commander organising each side and marrying up the encounters throughout the day.

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Posted : 09/10/2017 8:49 am




Hänschen klein
(@hanschen-klein)
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I have watched with interest the comments made and as long as they are constructive that's fine.
Couple of things. Hot guns. From the various comments made by the allies it would suggest there were some hot guns on the German side! From experience we don't usually chrono WW 2 games as we generally all play fair but I do know that certain people have Hot Guns most likely Stg 44 which the obviously don't want to downgrade. All I can say is if you come to one of the SAD games you will be chrono and without exception you will be turned away.

Ok the game put on was an introductory game to be all inclusive £20 if you want strict orders and other tasks more associated with more niche games vote with your feet as you have the right to do but if it is targeted at a more introductory style then that's what you have signed upto.

I was in charge of the FJ and we did not find a problem all day. I went round followed the orders written down and we all had a throughly good time. We were looking for our opposition on a number of occasions who didn't seem to appear. Fog of war maybe they didn't follow their orders? If you were frustrated by things like hot guns or blind firing I am sure you brought it to the attention of the organisers at the time to nip it in the bud. Yes or No?

All I would say is that it is hard work putting on games . Battle for TIM took 6 months from start to finish. The community would love to have other people organising games and it would appear that some of you think that you may be able to do it better so we would all like to support you when you put on your first game.

Guys lets get behind games it's so easy for people to bitch afterwards if it doesn't live upto their expectations or their will be less and less games and all that kit you bought will go to waste.

Thanks for your attention :giggle:





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Topic starter Posted : 09/10/2017 10:51 am




(@stanley)
Estimable Member

I enjoyed the day and the site......thanks to rabbitpacker and doc for putting the effort in getting it organised. And as always, nice pyro Pete :good:

There were a few hiccups, but as others have said, fog of war.

Ref hit taking. There were a few times after being hit and playing dead, I'd get up and head to respawn....gun held above head......occasionally I was still being shot at but carried on walking. Apologies to everyone if this was misconstrued as not taking hits.



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Posted : 09/10/2017 11:24 am




(@50shadesoffield-grey)
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From a distance it looked like the chap who lost his temper crossed the moat further up from the bridge the SS were holding, did it not have to be crossed AT the bridge? Unless he crossed it to address the hit taking, however, it looked like he was firing as he came across.



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Posted : 09/10/2017 11:43 am




(@lord-elpus)
Prominent Member

Well.....I enjoyed it! Big thanks to organisers, great layout, and Pete, great effects.....that's the first some of them actually made me jump!
As for hot weapons, I got hit a fair few times, no probs for me, had worse at other games.
Shame that most of the Heer contingent didn't turn up, ....only Connor and me! So we joined up with Phil and the rest of the SS. Some confusion due to lack of bods, but all in all a good day, would go to that location again.
The only downside for me was........broke my MG42 gearbox again! But hey, that's not unusual!
Andy

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Posted : 09/10/2017 12:46 pm




Allenby
(@allenby)
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My main complaint was the German Zug we were facing being AWOL/not where they were supposed to be. We wandered around a bit for an hour until we had a Chinese Parliament and basically tagged on to the British Airborne. Hey Ho.

Yes, hit taking wasn't the best and I think we're at a stage now where we have to chrono before every game as sadly some people just can't be trusted... but like Gordon said if you think you can do better, step up and run a game.

They're stressful and time consuming to organise and put on.

I believe this is the last game that Steve is running. If so, thanks a lot bud for everything you've put into the community.



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Posted : 09/10/2017 2:25 pm




paule
(@paule)
Estimable Member

I wholeheartedly agree that thanks are due to the organisers from all of us Without all your efforts and time invested there wouldn't be any game.
The niggles can be ironed out...

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Posted : 09/10/2017 7:02 pm




philthy
(@philthy)
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Gordon the reference about knowing certain people with hot guns can't be referring to any of our 44's that were measured high at the Tim battle and moaned about then , they weren't even working for this and battle and most of us were on MP40's and the 44 we did have was measured at 242fps at the Tim battle so who had hot ones??


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Posted : 09/10/2017 8:34 pm




(@jerry-a-trick)
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On the day I think that the allied forces were getting frustrated with trying to enter the village via the bridges as I know it can be a hard slog.
It can be much easier under the cover of some smoke but I don't think there was much of that.
The Germans being the defenders will be arguing that the game for them was great as they love giving us a poke & then bugging out plus to defend is better than attacking
I think this game will be the downfall of some friendships If we all don't stop pointing the finger & throwing accusation & there won't be anymore high numbers attending any games because we will end up with groups of players objecting to playing with others.
I think everyone should just put this one to bed & put it down to lesson to be learnt for other organisers.
My hats off to Steve & Doc for making the effort to organising the game.
See ya
Peter.


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Posted : 09/10/2017 10:02 pm




rabbitspacker
(@rabbitspacker)
Honorable Member

Thanks for all your comments some positive some negative, sorry to those who did not enjoy the game, I did try to cover every aspect but I did not allow for so many cancellations especially the Heer, so the 4 of them decided to join the SS, which was fine but I was not aware of this until after the game started. I should have made the Brit Army aware of this, but keeping an eye on other area of the site I forgot, but the Brit CO did make a decision to join the Paras, thanks for taking that decision. The build up to the last big battle for the Town was intended to be difficult as in a real situation, the COs needed to get their men together and plan a organized attack over the 3 bridges after clearing the obstacles. The game was not about winning or loosing, sorry that those that lone wolfed did not read the event rules and take orders from their CO.
We were made aware that folks had hot guns at TIMS game, we supplied a chrono, but as in most WW games we relied on sportsmanship and trust.
Thanks again for all those that attended.

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Posted : 10/10/2017 8:40 am




Hänschen klein
(@hanschen-klein)
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Gordon the reference about knowing certain people with hot guns can't be referring to any of our 44's that were measured high at the Tim battle and moaned about then , they weren't even working for this and battle and most of us were on MP40's and the 44 we did have was measured at 242fps at the Tim battle so who had hot ones??

Phil if you chrono your Stg and it was 242 FPS then all fine maybe not all are as honest as others. I am not directing critisism at anyone we just all need to play fair and don't get upset life's too short for that.

I think everything has been said so let's all forget it move on and learn by the comments made.





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Topic starter Posted : 10/10/2017 10:43 am




(@jerry-a-trick)
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Gordon the reference about knowing certain people with hot guns can't be referring to any of our 44's that were measured high at the Tim battle and moaned about then , they weren't even working for this and battle and most of us were on MP40's and the 44 we did have was measured at 242fps at the Tim battle so who had hot ones??

Phil if you chrono your Stg and it was 242 FPS then all fine maybe not all are as honest as others. I am not directing critisism at anyone we just all need to play fair and don't get upset life's too short for that.

I think everything has been said so let's all forget it move on and learn by the comments made.

I second that!! :good:


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Posted : 10/10/2017 10:49 am




philthy
(@philthy)
Trusted Member

NO ifs at all !! , it was chrono check at 242fps
Thanks


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Posted : 10/10/2017 10:55 am




 sly
(@sly)
Eminent Member

I have watched with interest the comments made and as long as they are constructive that's fine.
Couple of things. Hot guns. From the various comments made by the allies it would suggest there were some hot guns on the German side! From experience we don't usually chrono WW 2 games as we generally all play fair but I do know that certain people have Hot Guns most likely Stg 44 which the obviously don't want to downgrade. All I can say is if you come to one of the SAD games you will be chrono and without exception you will be turned away.

Ok the game put on was an introductory game to be all inclusive £20 if you want strict orders and other tasks more associated with more niche games vote with your feet as you have the right to do but if it is targeted at a more introductory style then that's what you have signed upto.

I was in charge of the FJ and we did not find a problem all day. I went round followed the orders written down and we all had a throughly good time. We were looking for our opposition on a number of occasions who didn't seem to appear. Fog of war maybe they didn't follow their orders? If you were frustrated by things like hot guns or blind firing I am sure you brought it to the attention of the organisers at the time to nip it in the bud. Yes or No?

All I would say is that it is hard work putting on games . Battle for TIM took 6 months from start to finish. The community would love to have other people organising games and it would appear that some of you think that you may be able to do it better so we would all like to support you when you put on your first game.

Guys lets get behind games it's so easy for people to bitch afterwards if it doesn't live upto their expectations or their will be less and less games and all that kit you bought will go to waste.

Thanks for your attention :giggle:

as I said I didn't have an experience of hot guns I was passing on what I heard from quite a few of the allied players who hadn't mentioned it themselves.

yes it was inclusive which is why I was happy to go to it, but for all intents and purposes it was a scripted battle with timings and locations which wasn't happening. I tried to get my lot prepped and briefed and to the location for the scrap but it was futile. as for blind firing at the time I had no idea where the organisers were, I was also trying to organise my section, my suggestion of radios to get in contact would alleviate this and the organisational issues or even just a phone number so we can just ring each other. no one said they thought they could do it better, they pointed out what went wrong and in my case tried to suggest a fix for the next time. Also I thought it was worthwhile letting people know what the real experience was rather than a sugar coated version so the same issues would carry forward. I also mentioned that I understood the effort involved and thanked the orgainsers for it.

make tea not war

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Posted : 11/10/2017 12:06 am




Pops
 Pops
(@pops)
Active Member

Thanks all involved with Saturdays game. Certainly more fun than the last one I went to a couple of weeks ago. Even with the suspicious end.

Colin


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Posted : 11/10/2017 6:08 pm




breadfish
(@breadfish)
Estimable Member

Somewhat a late reply. But thank you for putting on a good game. And putting us up for both evenings.
The vehicle presence was brilliant and I hope more vehicles can make an appearance in the future.

Many thanks
Rich

Rich

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Posted : 12/10/2017 10:25 pm




Westy
(@westy)
Active Member

First ww2 event, will be back for more.

Thanks all who organised.


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