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Snyper
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Hi guys,

I've decided to re-jig my belt order slightly, and I'm after a pistol holster to go preferably on my right hand side.

Specifically, I'm after one that would suit a 1911, and I've heard that the Germans used/had something of similar size and type. Now, the reason I'm posting is that I've not actually been able to find any references to said holster or said pistol, and I'm starting to think that I'm either confused or someone is pulling my leg.

Has anyone heard of, or seen what I'm on about (slightly vague I know), or, does anyone know where I might be able to get a replica of one?

Failing that, would it be wrong of me to use an American/Allied 1911-style holster in replacement? I know it obviously wouldn't be issued, but 'borrowed' kit was frequently used (if needed).



 
Posted : 01/02/2008 11:21 pm
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I'm pretty sure that the Norwegians made a .45 under German occupation, rare as dragon poo mind you. I think it was designated "M14" or something like that. Exactly the same as the Colt .45 government. I have it in a book somewhere, I'll try to find it.




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Posted : 02/02/2008 12:08 am
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The Norwegian Colts were manufactured in the Kongsberg Weapons Factory, the Norwegians changed the design slightly and the model that was produced under German occupation was the M1914, only about 1000 were produced between 1941 and 1942.

Captured 1911s were given the designation Pistole 660(a).




 
Posted : 02/02/2008 12:27 am
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The germans used the browning hi-power which is similar shape/size to the 1911 so a browing holster would probably work:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-German-9mm-Bro ... dZViewItem


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Posted : 02/02/2008 8:11 am
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Think the Germans used a Polish pistol called the Radom which was similar in shape to a Colt1911


 
Posted : 02/02/2008 8:28 am
Snyper
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Thanks for the help with that one guys, it IS the Kongsberg Colt, and it was made and issued to certain German units (according to Wikipedia anyhow), so that's good to know.

Boshman - Cheers for the link. I've contacted the seller about it, but had no reply yet.

Does anyone know anywhere in the UK I might be able to get one of these holsters? Or would it be an oversea's import only job?



 
Posted : 03/02/2008 12:14 am
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I got my High Power holster as an import, IMA in the USA have them, or did. A High Power will also just fit in a soft P38 holster so a Colt might too. I'll try for you in the morning and post results.
If you are doing a german uniform you really should wear your pistol on the left if you wish to be correct. Usually only officers and MG gunners had them. Other people, nco's etc, snagged them when possible. Dropping it in you tunic pocket may be better.


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Posted : 03/02/2008 10:42 pm
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Snyper is FJ, so he will have a pistol. :wink:



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Posted : 04/02/2008 8:33 am
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Sorry, my mind reading powers are letting me down somewhat. :lol:
By far the most common pistol issued was the P38 and usually in a hard shell holster. The myth that all fjr carried a pistol at all times needs to be squashed. They were issued for jumps as until a container was found the fjr were vunerable.
In Italy and NW europe their use is less widespread, issued as needed not to all.


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Posted : 04/02/2008 12:54 pm
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By far the most common pistol issued was the P38 and usually in a hard shell holster. The myth that all fjr carried a pistol at all times needs to be squashed.

I've had a play with Kermit's P38 and I just get the feeling that I'll break it in about 30 seconds (ask Kermit or Major what I'm like when it comes to breaking things), which is why I'd like to stick with what I know works, what is nigh-on indestructible in my hands, and what I know I'm happy with, which in this case is my Para-Ord. Not quite accurate I know, but given the amount of time and work I've spent on it, feel justified to say 'close enough'.

They were issued for jumps as until a container was found the fjr were vulnerable.
In Italy and NW Europe their use is less widespread, issued as needed not to all.

That gives me a rather... evil idea :twisted:

Poacher - BTW; did you get a chance to see if a Colt would fit in either holster?



 
Posted : 05/02/2008 12:22 am
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Note, Major has been making containers for the fallshy, thus at some point you will be dropped into a game a pistol could be handy :D

As if you've no pistol, you're kinda fubar'd (well you probs will anyway with a pistol against a thomson or whatever :lol: ) but you'll at least have a chance at pretending you can fight back in a game ;) :rofl:



 
Posted : 05/02/2008 12:32 am
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altough we can land with granades hint hint


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Posted : 05/02/2008 12:35 am
Poacher
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Ok just been out and checked various weapons in various holsters. The Colt 1911a1 fits in a soft shell P38 holster and a soft Hi-Power holster. Now, the fit in the P-38 holster is a squeeze, not easy to get the gun in without the slide coming back. This could be improved by working the end of the holster where the barrel would go. It comes out ok but going in!!?
My airsoft 1911 is a TM, the mag fits easily in the spare mag holder on the soft holster. So my answer would be; Yes it fits a soft P-38 but not easily without some work. The Hi-power holster is fine.
I hope this helps chaps.


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Posted : 05/02/2008 2:51 pm
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See its far easier to get a P38 and a P38 holster, I knew I was a bit out there with my reasoning on such a bizarre plan but hey it works :lol:

Hope you get sommat sorted Scott 8)



 
Posted : 05/02/2008 2:58 pm
Old Un
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Hi guys,

I've decided to re-jig my belt order slightly, and I'm after a pistol holster to go preferably on my right hand side.

Specifically, I'm after one that would suit a 1911, and I've heard that the Germans used/had something of similar size and type. Now, the reason I'm posting is that I've not actually been able to find any references to said holster or said pistol, and I'm starting to think that I'm either confused or someone is pulling my leg.

Has anyone heard of, or seen what I'm on about (slightly vague I know), or, does anyone know where I might be able to get a replica of one?

Failing that, would it be wrong of me to use an American/Allied 1911-style holster in replacement? I know it obviously wouldn't be issued, but 'borrowed' kit was frequently used (if needed).

P38 soft holster will take a M1911 without too much bother. I know as I used that set up !


 
Posted : 05/02/2008 3:14 pm
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The germans used the browning hi-power which is similar shape/size to the 1911 so a browing holster would probably work:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-German-9mm-Bro ... dZViewItem

BEAR IN MIND a lot of the high powers were sabotaged by belgain workers. they were unreliable :rofl:


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Posted : 15/03/2008 11:29 am
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I got my High Power holster as an import, IMA in the USA have them, or did. A High Power will also just fit in a soft P38 holster so a Colt might too. I'll try for you in the morning and post results.
If you are doing a german uniform you really should wear your pistol on the left if you wish to be correct. Usually only officers and MG gunners had them. Other people, nco's etc, snagged them when possible. Dropping it in you tunic pocket may be better.

Can I just clarify something, is it absolutely correct that German MGunners (and British Bren gunners) wore their holster in a cross draw (on the left) at all times? The reason I ask is it is very difficult drawing a pistol lying down as per firing the gun?

Just wondered if in combat the troops moved the holster around so they could draw if approached from the flank?

I have moved mine so I can do just that, rear right side when playing German and British.


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Posted : 08/05/2008 3:26 pm
pikestaff2
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Hello everyone, finally found the three european holsters that fit colt M1911's
I have tried a blank firer in them, fits quite nicely. £10.00 each, postage
included.
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Posted : 24/05/2008 4:47 pm
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I dont know if it's been said already but, find a 1930’s browning holster, because when the Germans took over Belgium, they took over the browning factory and subsequently issued the browning HP out among the soldiers. But I believe they fitted them into p38 holsters as well. So seeing as the holster took the browning, you may be able to fit a colt in one to :D hope that helps



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Posted : 12/06/2008 3:18 pm
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I got my High Power holster as an import, IMA in the USA have them, or did. A High Power will also just fit in a soft P38 holster so a Colt might too. I'll try for you in the morning and post results.
If you are doing a german uniform you really should wear your pistol on the left if you wish to be correct. Usually only officers and MG gunners had them. Other people, nco's etc, snagged them when possible. Dropping it in you tunic pocket may be better.

Can I just clarify something, is it absolutely correct that German MGunners (and British Bren gunners) wore their holster in a cross draw (on the left) at all times? The reason I ask is it is very difficult drawing a pistol lying down as per firing the gun?

Just wondered if in combat the troops moved the holster around so they could draw if approached from the flank?

I have moved mine so I can do just that, rear right side when playing German and British.

Genosse, Germans do tend to Cross Draw, the holster shape is better that way round when they wear Equipment, check with the Period Pictures.

When carrying only a Pistol (or have only very light Field Equipment on) as a German, always wear it pushed round the back of the body, on your Right hip it looks better, is more comfortable and is what they did in the Period pictures.... "you are armed ,but so what,you are cool with it as it is an everyday thing"


 
Posted : 27/09/2008 1:32 pm
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